For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
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12-03-2014, 09:37 AM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(12-03-2014 06:45 AM)donotwant Wrote:  For instance universe was the same 2000 years ago and it is same now. But we understand it much better. Same with morality. There is landscape and we navigated very badly on it. But now we are getting closer to the peak.
NO..no just no... morality never existed before humans it evolved with humans and will die with humans and its humans that ultimately decide what's wrong&right based on their subjective beliefs&motivations.

As long as the motivations&beliefs are subject to change you can never have an "Objective/Absolute" morality. .you can have objective laws but not morality.
(12-03-2014 09:19 AM)natachan Wrote:  Lets say there is a brilliant student who loves his field. It makes him happy. But he fears failure so he gives up and gets a menial job as a clerk while escaping in drink and/or video games. This man is a coward and has betrayed himself. His action is immoral.
he's not immoral he is incompetent.

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Disproved statements&Illogical conclusions are not evidence
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12-03-2014, 09:44 AM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
natachan Wrote:Lets say there is a brilliant student who loves his field. It makes him happy. But he fears failure so he gives up and gets a menial job as a clerk while escaping in drink and/or video games. This man is a coward and has betrayed himself. His action is immoral.
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This way we can deem every fail immoral and then punish ourselves for it.
I don't think it's a healthy way to think about things Big Grin
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12-03-2014, 09:52 AM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
If he tried and failed that would be incompetent. He would then have failed. That would be forgivable.

He didn't try. He's a coward.
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12-03-2014, 09:55 AM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(12-03-2014 09:52 AM)natachan Wrote:  If he tried and failed that would be incompetent. He would then have failed. That would be forgivable.

He didn't try. He's a coward.

Being coward is not immoral.
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12-03-2014, 09:56 AM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
It is a betrayal of the self. Succumbing to it is immoral.
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12-03-2014, 09:57 AM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(12-03-2014 09:56 AM)natachan Wrote:  It is a betrayal of the self. Succumbing to it is immoral.

Is suffering immoral?
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12-03-2014, 09:58 AM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
In as such no. Succumbing and giving in to it could be seen as such.
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12-03-2014, 09:58 AM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(12-03-2014 09:58 AM)natachan Wrote:  In as such no. Succumbing and giving in to it could be seen as such.
Sounds like a failure of morality.
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12-03-2014, 10:08 AM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(12-03-2014 09:58 AM)donotwant Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 09:58 AM)natachan Wrote:  In as such no. Succumbing and giving in to it could be seen as such.
Sounds like a failure of morality.
Morality is to live up to what is best within ourselves. It is the seeking of our happiness and well being. By this logic a man who loses his leg has two choices: he can mope about it his whole life or he can try to adapt and move forward. The second action is moral, since it works towards his happiness and well being. The first does not and is immoral. Understand it is not US who are to judge him, but the only judge that matters is the man himself.
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12-03-2014, 10:10 AM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(12-03-2014 09:52 AM)natachan Wrote:  He didn't try. He's a coward.
according to you cowards are immoral? lol you're a funny guy.
Quote:Morality is to live up to what is best within ourselves. It is the seeking of our happiness and well being. By this logic a man who loses his leg has two choices: he can mope about it his whole life or he can try to adapt and move forward. The second action is moral, since it works towards his happiness and well being. The first does not and is immoral. Understand it is not US who are to judge him, but the only judge that matters is the man himself.
Hmm.. looks like you have a totally different meaning of morality altogether.

For me morality is simply a sense of right&wrong and it obviously differs from person to person like you&me and that's why its subjective not objective.

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