For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
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11-03-2014, 03:04 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 02:13 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 02:13 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  I don't believe in objective morality, I do, however, believe that majority of humans share a basic moral sense.

I would agree! Smile

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11-03-2014, 03:17 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 12:59 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  Can you show me how morals acquire the ability to leap out of your brains, or of any other brain for that matter, and become an 'object'? If so, by what process does this occur?
What makes you think that there is a group of atheists who believe in objective morality?

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11-03-2014, 03:21 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 03:17 PM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 12:59 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  Can you show me how morals acquire the ability to leap out of your brains, or of any other brain for that matter, and become an 'object'? If so, by what process does this occur?
What makes you think that there is a group of atheists who believe in objective morality?

I believe in objective morality. To me objective means true no matter how many people believe otherwise.
Like burning people alive is immoral even if everybody in the world would be doing it and thought it was moral. And it is true yesterday today and tomorrow(until laws of physics change so that burning would be harmless and orgasmic).
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11-03-2014, 03:31 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 03:21 PM)donotwant Wrote:  I believe in objective morality. To me objective means true no matter how many people believe otherwise.
Okay so killing is wrong no matter how many people believe otherwise right?Consider

So do you oppose executing criminals?
Or killing in self defense?
Or killing to reduce suffering?

If its "objective" killing is wrong no matter what the context that's the beauty of it,the second you start considering the context it becomes subjective.

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11-03-2014, 03:33 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 03:31 PM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 03:21 PM)donotwant Wrote:  I believe in objective morality. To me objective means true no matter how many people believe otherwise.
Okay so killing is wrong no matter how many people believe otherwise right?Consider

So do you oppose executing criminals?
Or killing in self defense?

If its objective.. killing is wrong no matter what the context that's the beauty of it.

I did not say that killing is always wrong it depends on situation. For instance lying is moral in some situations and immoral in other situations.
As for death penalty I am for imprisonment for unspecified amount of time but prisoners can get euthanized if they wish to do so.
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11-03-2014, 03:41 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 03:33 PM)donotwant Wrote:  I did not say that killing is always wrong it depends on situation.
Then its not objective morality anymore its subjective morality.

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11-03-2014, 03:53 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 03:41 PM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 03:33 PM)donotwant Wrote:  I did not say that killing is always wrong it depends on situation.
Then its not objective morality anymore its subjective morality.

No. For every situation there is finite set of actions. And in those set of actions there is a group of best actions for this situation.
Objective doesn't mean you should do same thing in every situation.
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11-03-2014, 04:01 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 03:04 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 02:13 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  I would agree! Smile

Evolution, (no gods needed) built that in. It promotes survival of the group.

Haven't we been here before? Like more than once? ... Consider ... something about Bonobo monkeys and atheists. ... There it is. ... And there. ... And there. Tongue

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11-03-2014, 04:10 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 02:54 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 02:52 PM)donotwant Wrote:  Define objective.

It exists outside of your brain.


Potatoes are objective.

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11-03-2014, 04:11 PM (This post was last modified: 11-03-2014 04:17 PM by IndianAtheist.)
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 03:53 PM)donotwant Wrote:  No. For every situation there is finite set of actions. And in those set of actions there is a group of best actions for this situation.
and those "Best actions" are... subjective not objective.
Quote:Objective doesn't mean you should do same thing in every situation.
Eh it actually does in the case of morality which is an innate sense of right&wrong based on subjective human desires&feelings(which is by nature subjective).

"Objective morality" is an oxymoron as morality is based on your feelings&desires which is subjective NOT objective.. you cannot provide me a reason why i like color blue and hate purple so how come morality can be "objective"?

EDIT: just for shits&giggles i'll say that morality is "objectively subjective" Laugh out load

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