For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
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11-03-2014, 04:11 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
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11-03-2014, 04:12 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 04:10 PM)Raptor Jesus Wrote:  Potatoes are objective.

I like my objective morality mashed.

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11-03-2014, 04:15 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 04:11 PM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 03:53 PM)donotwant Wrote:  No. For every situation there is finite set of actions. And in those set of actions there is a group of best actions for this situation.
and those "Best actions" are... subjective not objective.
Quote:Objective doesn't mean you should do same thing in every situation.
Eh it actually does in the case of morality which is an innate sense of right&wrong based on subjective human desires&feelings(which is by nature subjective).

"Objective morality" is an oxymoron as morality is based on your feelings&desires which is subjective NOT objective.. you cannot provide me a reason why i like color blue and hate purple.

If morality is about wellbeing of sentient beings(or humans). Then the choice of the actions from a finite set of actions depends on that wellbeing. Therefore objective.
If morality is not about wellbeing of sentient beings what is it about then?
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11-03-2014, 04:41 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 02:40 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 02:30 PM)Simon Moon Wrote:  How is it not objective that you and I would both like to go on living, not be tortured, not have our stuff stolen?

WE have such desires, but that doesn't matter beyond us. We feel such things because nature intended us to.

Ummm, no. Nature intends nothing; nature has no intent, no purpose, no direction, no goal.

Our brains/minds evolved patterns of thought and feeling that aided survival better than others.

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11-03-2014, 04:42 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 04:41 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 02:40 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  WE have such desires, but that doesn't matter beyond us. We feel such things because nature intended us to.

Ummm, no. Nature intends nothing; nature has no intent, no purpose, no direction, no goal.

Our brains/minds evolved patterns of thought and feeling that aided survival better than others.

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11-03-2014, 04:45 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
My goodness, my darling Meng! how your English skills have improved in the last two days! You have become positively fluent! It seems just three days ago that you sounded like a foreign lady. You have developed your linguistics cunningly indeed! My my, how they grow! *sighs nostalgically*
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11-03-2014, 04:45 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 04:15 PM)donotwant Wrote:  If morality is about wellbeing of sentient beings(or humans).
It doesn't matter what morality is about it is based on subjective feelings&desires.

Objective morality is like a married bachelor,it simply doesn't follow.

Dreams/Hallucinations/delusions are not evidence
Wishful thinking is not evidence
Disproved statements&Illogical conclusions are not evidence
Logical fallacies&Unsubstantiated claims are not evidence
Vague prophecies is not evidence
Data that requires a certain belief is not evidence
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11-03-2014, 04:46 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 12:59 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  Can you show me how morals acquire the ability to leap out of your brains, or of any other brain for that matter, and become an 'object'? If so, by what process does this occur?

Haven't read the thread yet, sorry if this has already been asked.

Please give an example of an atheist believing in an objective morality so that we may attempt to figure out what you are going on about.
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11-03-2014, 04:49 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 04:45 PM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 04:15 PM)donotwant Wrote:  If morality is about wellbeing of sentient beings(or humans).
It doesn't matter what morality is about it is based on subjective feelings&desires.

Objective morality is like a married bachelor,it simply doesn't follow.

Well if that's your definition of objective then maybe.
What I am talking is morality which is not relativistic.
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11-03-2014, 04:50 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 12:59 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  Can you show me how morals acquire the ability to leap out of your brains, or of any other brain for that matter, and become an 'object'? If so, by what process does this occur?

I am getting the most hilarious, albeit violent, mental pictures right now. The movie "Alien" comes to mind...
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