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11-03-2014, 03:19 PM
RE: For those who reject the existence of Jesus...
Also, SJ, please consider this forum as a place to post the type of thread you have been posting.
And introduce yourself and maybe some background in the introductions area.
Maybe chill out and just have some fun in the coffeehouse or somewhere in here.
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14-03-2014, 04:54 PM
For those who reject the existence of Jesus...
I don't know if he existed or not. But the claims about his miracles are extraordinary and require better evidence than "Almighty God" provided. Seems an all powerful deity could provide some actual proof.
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14-03-2014, 10:31 PM
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(10-03-2014 12:02 AM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  Do you also reject the existence of Socrates and Archimedes?

My point is simply that there is indeed a set of consistent standards and methods in determining the historicity of any given figure in antiquity.

There is no archaeological evidence for the existence of Archimedes. His existence hangs entirely on textual evidence, just like Jesus. This is the case for most figures in antiquity. Even then the references given on Archimedes, primarily Livy and Polybius, only give scant mentions written some 75 years after his death at the earliest. Most of it comes over 150 years later. That is quite typical of this field. Jesus has more textual evidence than almost anyone of this era written 25-75 years after the crucifixion.

If the existence of Jesus is to be called into question, then we must apply the same standards across the board. No?
How about applying the standard of the Rank-Raglan Mythotype.
  • Mother is a virgin.
  • Father is king or rightful heir.
  • Hero’s parents are related.
  • Circumstances of conception are unusual.
  • Hero is reputed to be the son of a god.
  • An attempt is made to kill him as an infant.
  • He is spirited away from assassins.
  • Reared in a foreign land by foster parent(s).
  • Little is reported about his childhood.
  • Upon reaching adulthood, he returns to future kingdom.
  • Before taking throne, he battles and defeats a great adversary.
  • Crowned or hailed as king.
  • Marries princess, queen or relative of his predecessor.
  • Reigns uneventfully for a time.
  • Promulgates laws.
  • Loses favor of gods or subjects.
  • Driven from throne or land.
  • Mysterious events occasion his death.
  • Dies at top of hill.
  • Body goes missing.
  • No children succeed him.
  • He has one or more holy sepulchers.
The higher the score the more likely the person is a myth. Jesus scores 20. Alexander the Great scores 6. As far as I can tell Socrates and Archimedes each score zip.

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14-03-2014, 11:28 PM
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I don't know where this girl is getting this shit. Mythers are a small percentage of non-believers.

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15-03-2014, 02:11 AM
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Reject The Word? I am The Word.

As it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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15-03-2014, 02:30 AM
RE: For those who reject the existence of Jesus...
(11-03-2014 02:25 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 02:22 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  MOST writings...

As opposed to ALL writings in Jesus's case.

I should have said the EARLIEST writings for Socrates and Archimedes.

I don't think this is correct...

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15-03-2014, 10:28 AM
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(15-03-2014 02:11 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Reject The Word? I am The Word.

I was under the impression that the thing which identifies as the word is, actually, the bird.
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15-03-2014, 10:32 AM
RE: For those who reject the existence of Jesus...
(15-03-2014 10:28 AM)Elcarch Wrote:  
(15-03-2014 02:11 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Reject The Word? I am The Word.

I was under the impression that the thing which identifies as the word is, actually, the bird.

Yes, so then Girly must also be claiming to be The Bird.
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15-03-2014, 11:25 AM
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Fuckers.




As it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
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Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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15-03-2014, 01:06 PM
RE: For those who reject the existence of Jesus...
(15-03-2014 11:25 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Fuckers.




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