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21-07-2015, 10:02 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(21-07-2015 10:00 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(21-07-2015 09:52 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  You mean Odin?
Odin is mixed with sorcery. This can lead astray. He is often times considered one of many deities in some pagan belief systems. These two things are contradictory to one God of obvious truth, and therefore the one all encompassing God shouldn't really be refered to as Odin.

I guess if you really thought the one all encompassing God is named Odin then it wouldn't really matter as long as you don't veer from the true path due to the name you choose to call God.

I prefer Romulus Big Grin

Mythology has always fascinated me. When you research mythology, you find the common strains, a rhythm, a philosophical skeletal system where the “hero god” is constructed, and the same system is used time and time again. It is almost as if one borrowed from another throughout time. It is impossible to ignore the implication of systematic fabrication. The jesus story, however, was not original. The entire story seems to have been plagiarized in bits and pieces, and sometimes blatantly intact, from ancient god/man mythology passed down by Greek, Roman, Egyptian, and Persian cultures.

The list is long, from Horus in 3000 BCE Egypt all the way to jesus, but I will focus on just one…Romulus 771 BCE. In Plutarch’s biography of Romulus, the founder of Rome, we are told he was the son of god, born of a virgin; an attempt is made to kill him as a baby, and he is saved, and raised by a poor family, hailed as King, and killed by the conniving elite; that he rises from the dead, appears to a friend to tell the good news to his people, and ascends to heaven to rule from on high. Sound familiar? Just like Jesus.

Plutarch also tells us about annual public ceremonies that were still being formed, which celebrated the day Romulus ascended to heaven. The story goes as follows: at the end of his life, amid rumors he was murdered by conspiracy of the Senate, the sun went dark, and Romulus’s body vanished. The people wanted to search for him but the Senate told them not to, “for he had risen to join the gods”. Most went away happy, hoping for good things from their new god, but “some doubted”. Soon after, Proculus, a close friend of Romulus, reported that he met Romulus “on the road” between Rome and a nearby town and asked him, “why have you abandoned us?”, To which Romulus replied that he had been a God all along but had come down to earth and become incarnate to establish a great kingdom, and now had to return to his home in heaven. Then Romulus told his friend to tell the Romans that if they are virtuous they will have all worldly power (Carrier 56).

Pops, does any of this ring any bells for you? You do realize this story predates Jesus by 800 years right? Fabricators of religion borrow from previous religions Man/God/hero constructs and have all the way back to 3000 B.C.E.

So the fact that the jesus son of god myth story has clearly been plagiarized from older Greek, Roman, Egyptian, and Persian cultures, coupled with the fact that no one who wrote of Jesus actually knew him should make a thinking person take a pause, and reflect on the basis of their faith.
In regards to my posit; paragraph three speaks about the ceremony celebrating Romulus's ascension actually going on at the time, so he is a witness, unlike the lack of witnesses in the NT of jesus. More importantly the tale of Romulus itself though was widely attested as pre-christian: in Romulus (27-28), Plutarch, though writing c. 80-120 CE, is certainly recording a long established Roman tale and custom, and his sources are unmistakenly pre-christian: Cicero, Laws 1.3, Republic 2.10; Livy, From the founding of the city 1.16.2-8 (1.3-1.16 relating the whole story of Romulus); Ovid, Fasti 2.491-512 and Metamorphoses 14.805-51; and Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Roman Antiquities 2.63.3 (1.171-2.65 relating the whole story of Romulus); a later reference: Cassius Dio, Roman History 56.46.2. The story's antiquity was even acknowledged by christians: Tertullian, Apology 21.

So as you can see, before christianity was even beginning to be fabricated, the story of Romulus was solidly incorporated into the Roman culture. So it would be a false and disingenuous posit to suggest that the story of Romulus was fabricated after jesus, and based on jesus, when it fact it is the exact opposite. It is also false to say it was interpolations (besides the fact it is all an obvious made up fabrication) as interpolations are additions to writings to make them seem more in line with whatever view the forger wishes to support after the fact. Conjecture? No, it was actually pre-christian, and as I provided above, easy to find within respectable writers from differing times and places. If Plutarch was the only one to write of it, OR he and the other writers were all writing about some "god" named Romulus from 800 years ago, and were writing it after jesus, then you could absolutely draw a correlation to the posit that the story of Romulus was based on jesus, or that it was fabricated to throw suspicion on the jesus story, sadly the facts do not reflect that.

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21-07-2015, 10:02 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(21-07-2015 10:00 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(21-07-2015 09:52 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  You mean Odin?
Odin is mixed with sorcery. This can lead astray. He is often times considered one of many deities in some pagan belief systems. These two things are contradictory to one God of obvious truth, and therefore the one all encompassing God shouldn't really be refered to as Odin.

I guess if you really thought the one all encompassing God is named Odin then it wouldn't really matter as long as you don't veer from the true path due to the name you choose to call God.

How dare you fucking blaspheme against the almighty Odin. May he send his son to wipe away your ignorance. Hail Odin and Odinson, THOR!!!!

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21-07-2015, 10:08 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(21-07-2015 10:02 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(21-07-2015 10:00 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Odin is mixed with sorcery. This can lead astray. He is often times considered one of many deities in some pagan belief systems. These two things are contradictory to one God of obvious truth, and therefore the one all encompassing God shouldn't really be refered to as Odin.

I guess if you really thought the one all encompassing God is named Odin then it wouldn't really matter as long as you don't veer from the true path due to the name you choose to call God.

How dare you fucking blaspheme against the almighty Odin. May he send his son to wipe away your ignorance. Hail Odin and Odinson, THOR!!!!
Yeah... good luck with that one. All joking aside; I think you can refer to God in any respectful term you wish. That's half the problem with the divided religions.
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21-07-2015, 10:08 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(21-07-2015 10:08 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(21-07-2015 10:02 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  How dare you fucking blaspheme against the almighty Odin. May he send his son to wipe away your ignorance. Hail Odin and Odinson, THOR!!!!
Yeah... good luck with that one. All joking aside; I think you can refer to God in any respectful term you wish. That's half the problem with the divided religions.

Fuck god

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21-07-2015, 10:11 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(21-07-2015 10:08 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(21-07-2015 10:02 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  How dare you fucking blaspheme against the almighty Odin. May he send his son to wipe away your ignorance. Hail Odin and Odinson, THOR!!!!
Yeah... good luck with that one. All joking aside; I think you can refer to God in any respectful term you wish. That's half the problem with the divided religions.


ALL joking aside???

Fine....

Kick your god to the curb too -- cuz that's one sorry joke....

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21-07-2015, 10:11 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(21-07-2015 10:08 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(21-07-2015 10:08 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Yeah... good luck with that one. All joking aside; I think you can refer to God in any respectful term you wish. That's half the problem with the divided religions.

Fuck god
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21-07-2015, 10:13 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(21-07-2015 10:11 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(21-07-2015 10:08 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Yeah... good luck with that one. All joking aside; I think you can refer to God in any respectful term you wish. That's half the problem with the divided religions.


ALL joking aside???

Fine....

Kick your god to the curb too -- cuz that's one sorry joke....
Yeah... Good luck with that too. Will never happen as I have a big problem with working backwards, or double working.
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21-07-2015, 10:16 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(21-07-2015 10:11 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(21-07-2015 10:08 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Fuck god
Feel better?

No. In general, cussing imaginary characters has little to no effect Drinking Beverage

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21-07-2015, 10:20 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(21-07-2015 10:16 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(21-07-2015 10:11 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Feel better?

No. In general, cussing imaginary characters has little to no effect Drinking Beverage
Try living through aware feeling and acting on those emotions. Should feel a little spark. Reality. The blind emotionless direction is no direction at all. Look around you.
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21-07-2015, 10:23 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(21-07-2015 10:13 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(21-07-2015 10:11 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  ALL joking aside???

Fine....

Kick your god to the curb too -- cuz that's one sorry joke....
Yeah... Good luck with that too. Will never happen as I have a big problem with working backwards, or double working.


I don't see any work... I just see you blathering on about your imaginary friend - who nobody's ever seen - never shows up when work needs being done, and probably smells funny as well.................. Oh -- and he causes cancer in infants..... Good job with that huh???

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