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29-07-2015, 11:22 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(29-07-2015 11:12 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(29-07-2015 10:55 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I'm well aware of them.. how they are relevant is not aware to me, you seemed to have chosen to bring that up as a case of it not being Gods orders... okay well I'm not asking you about gods not orders nor did I bring up these things.

Well how about actual murders if you believe in biblical knowledge or ANY death that in essence is the condoned notion of God for allowing there to be a punishment such as death because he chose to desire beings with the option to disobey him. But when he tells his chosen people to murder, okay it's not for sadistic pleasure, then what is it for? what is his desire for having death even exist for?
It has never been the Lord's desire to kill anything. All murder stems from some form of greed, and inward, selfish, wrong sense of privilege. The fact that people were killed in ancient times is directly related to the directions of negativity, and the defence thereof.

Really? What about the great flood? His intent was to kill every living thing on the planet, save a small group of people and animals.

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29-07-2015, 11:23 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
War was the norm. back then. We would have perished long ago if the defence of what is right would not have been carried out under God's order. Damn near fucked even though they were mostly extinguished. That was needed at that particular time in civilization do to the much more obvious presence of good and bad at that time.
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29-07-2015, 11:24 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(29-07-2015 11:20 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(29-07-2015 10:56 AM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  um, you may want to read the bible.

hmm off the top of my head, (at work, do not have access to my lengthy files)...

1 Samuel 15:3-4

For example, God instructed Saul through the prophet Samuel to “go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey”

yeah
Why don't you do a little research on the Amalek, and it's origins, and then return to your point. Evil was rooted in them exceedingly so, as to say there was no chance for there redemption, and a high likelihood that their continued existence would damn civilizations.

So what if "EVIL" was rooted in them.. Is it still not murder if the person is evil? no, it's still murder and condoned. You are being contradictory

If it's approved in circumstances where those killed are so evil they must be stopped, it's still approved and being condoned.

War was everywhere back then and it was needed... that's making it condoned and anointing special circumstances mean it's okay. That's what you were contrasting moments ago, or you simply don't understand the things you are saying and just say whatever non-connected thought you think is "positive" in the moment it arises to you.

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29-07-2015, 11:24 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(29-07-2015 11:12 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(29-07-2015 10:55 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I'm well aware of them.. how they are relevant is not aware to me, you seemed to have chosen to bring that up as a case of it not being Gods orders... okay well I'm not asking you about gods not orders nor did I bring up these things.

Well how about actual murders if you believe in biblical knowledge or ANY death that in essence is the condoned notion of God for allowing there to be a punishment such as death because he chose to desire beings with the option to disobey him. But when he tells his chosen people to murder, okay it's not for sadistic pleasure, then what is it for? what is his desire for having death even exist for?
It has never been the Lord's desire to kill anything. All murder stems from some form of greed, and inward, selfish, wrong sense of privilege. The fact that people were killed in ancient times is directly related to the directions of negativity, and the defence thereof.

There's this thing called food, it requires killing to obtain it, killing and death are an integral part of nature and not confined to humans.

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29-07-2015, 11:46 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(29-07-2015 11:24 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(29-07-2015 11:20 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Why don't you do a little research on the Amalek, and it's origins, and then return to your point. Evil was rooted in them exceedingly so, as to say there was no chance for there redemption, and a high likelihood that their continued existence would damn civilizations.

So what if "EVIL" was rooted in them.. Is it still not murder if the person is evil? no, it's still murder and condoned. You are being contradictory

If it's approved in circumstances where those killed are so evil they must be stopped, it's still approved and being condoned.

War was everywhere back then and it was needed... that's making it condoned and anointing special circumstances mean it's okay. That's what you were contrasting moments ago, or you simply don't understand the things you are saying and just say whatever non-connected thought you think is "positive" in the moment it arises to you.
Murder is the killing of another person without justification or valid excuse, and it is especially the unlawful killing of another person with malice aforethought.[1][2][3] This state of mind may, depending upon the jurisdiction, distinguish murder from other forms of unlawful homicide, such as manslaughter. In some U.S. states, laws regarding murder are determined by the Model Penal Code.[4]
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29-07-2015, 11:48 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(29-07-2015 11:24 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(29-07-2015 11:12 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  It has never been the Lord's desire to kill anything. All murder stems from some form of greed, and inward, selfish, wrong sense of privilege. The fact that people were killed in ancient times is directly related to the directions of negativity, and the defence thereof.

There's this thing called food, it requires killing to obtain it, killing and death are an integral part of nature and not confined to humans.
That's not murder. You speak of the very nature of existence.
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29-07-2015, 11:51 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(29-07-2015 11:48 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(29-07-2015 11:24 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  There's this thing called food, it requires killing to obtain it, killing and death are an integral part of nature and not confined to humans.
That's not murder. You speak of the very nature of existence.

The god you believe in allegedly created a system that makes killing necessary.

So it is simply not true to assert that the lord doesn't desire to kill anything. He would have made a better system if that were the case.

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29-07-2015, 11:55 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(29-07-2015 11:07 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  The fact that you are completely blind to the negative image you give to your brothers, and for the readers is proof of your own dilusion. The fact that you refuse to see this on any level is proof of your incideous nature.

I do so appreciate irony. Pot, meet kettle.

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29-07-2015, 11:56 AM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
(29-07-2015 11:46 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(29-07-2015 11:24 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  So what if "EVIL" was rooted in them.. Is it still not murder if the person is evil? no, it's still murder and condoned. You are being contradictory

If it's approved in circumstances where those killed are so evil they must be stopped, it's still approved and being condoned.

War was everywhere back then and it was needed... that's making it condoned and anointing special circumstances mean it's okay. That's what you were contrasting moments ago, or you simply don't understand the things you are saying and just say whatever non-connected thought you think is "positive" in the moment it arises to you.
Murder is the killing of another person without justification or valid excuse, and it is especially the unlawful killing of another person with malice aforethought.[1][2][3] This state of mind may, depending upon the jurisdiction, distinguish murder from other forms of unlawful homicide, such as manslaughter. In some U.S. states, laws regarding murder are determined by the Model Penal Code.[4]

That's the legal term, if you only mean that then okay. If you want to use legal terms outside of gods justification, sure go ahead. I still see no justification for it. What is the justification for God allowing "free will" that will lead to murder. That's not justified via Gods action. What is the excuse that allows all the murders that occur from Abel to a random Joe. Every act of killing has to be justified from God's actions for it not ALL to have been qualified to be murder. People often differ to say free will, well what's the justification for free will? That's not needed.

You still create a connotation by the language you use, if God doesn't condone murder for sadistic pleasure, when and why does God condone murder? Or do you not realize or not want to admit your title is awkwardly worded.

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29-07-2015, 12:08 PM
RE: For those who think God condones murder for his sadistic pleasure.
ClydeLee,
He instilled us with free will in Faith that we would eventually realize that all existence is made up of darkness, and his light is the only thing that will ever stop eventual return to said darkness and or void.

I admitt that the word should have been "killing" as opposed to "murder". Thank you. I commend your noteworthy efforts at pointed honest debate.
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