Forced to vote Democrat: Christianity's Stranglehold on the Right
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27-10-2015, 03:52 PM (This post was last modified: 27-10-2015 04:07 PM by RinChi.)
Forced to vote Democrat: Christianity's Stranglehold on the Right
I'm wondering if I'm alone here on this, I suspect not. My political views are pretty simple, freedom trumps all. It's the basis for the country's constitution. Everyone should have the right to do anything they want with thier bodies and property until such a point that they infringe on another's rights of the same. Period. No, offending them doesn't count, real, serious, physical harm. There should be no drug laws, no regulations on marriage, no bullshit ADA, the EPA should probably exist, but it's powers should be confined to public land only. Don't even get me started on the FCC. I could go on and on here, and I probably will in some other thread, but it's not the point of this one.

The point is, in my view the U.S. government is way too big, it's out of control, outrageously expensive and continues every year to more closely resemble a police state. This is a decidedly right wing position to take. Furthermore, the democratic party's insistence on creating a government division or subsidization for everything under the sun, and funding all those things with my money is revolting.

Unfortunately, I will vote democratic anyway for one simple reason: Religion, specifically Christianity has completely and utterly hijacked the republican party and they are poisoning the well. Every single point of contention I have with the republican candidates is a direct result of thier insistence to pander to the religious community, anti-abortion, gay marriage, contraception, pornography, stem cell research, interference in education, the list goes on and on... What the fuck is an ideology that professes to believe in small government doing advocating government interference in all these personal issues?!!! It's so frustrating!!

Not only are these things in direct opposition to small government, they are incredibly damaging to the country as a whole. How many proper biologists and physicists do you think we would produce if they got what they want... teaching our children that the earth is 6000 years old, and that evolution didn't take place? Or what is it doing to our children's psyche to be taught that sexual repression is the appropriate and correct mentality to have? Is there really a good reason that my daughter, when she grows up, can't go out and show her tits off if she wishes? Where do they get off telling them that it's immoral? These, and so much more are all very damaging to the American spirit, never mind the constitution. To me, this is the stuff that should really matter when we call ourselves atheists, the very real harm religion is doing to our country and our world.

It feels like a false choice, a political trap. Either I force myself to concede my non religious convictions for the sake of my political ones and vote for what will essentially become a theocracy, Or I concede my political beliefs and vote for what will essentially become a nanny state. The proverbial "lose-lose" situation.

Does anyone else share my disgust here? And if so, how can it change? It seems so ingrained right now. Fundamentalist Christianity forever epoxied to the ass cheek of the libertarian right. Someone get me a crowbar.
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27-10-2015, 04:05 PM
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That's a problem of a two party system. There is also people at the other end of the spectrum who are socially conservative, but also socialist. There is also people who have more extrem political ideas that the both party fail to represent correctly. I guess that short of joining an organisation that can act as a lobby, there isn't much you can do... Compromising is necessary to live in society peacefully.

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27-10-2015, 04:08 PM
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I noticed this ages ago and quit liking the republicans. They are way more likely to introduce restrictive laws than the democrats. The whole party line is a lie.

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27-10-2015, 04:22 PM (This post was last modified: 27-10-2015 04:25 PM by RinChi.)
RE: Forced to vote Democrat: Christianity's Stranglehold on the Right
(27-10-2015 04:05 PM)epronovost Wrote:  That's a problem of a two party system. There is also people at the other end of the spectrum who are socially conservative, but also socialist. There is also people who have more extrem political ideas that the both party fail to represent correctly. I guess that short of joining an organisation that can act as a lobby, there isn't much you can do... Compromising is necessary to live in society peacefully.

Of course it's true that there is a spectrum of beliefs, the important difference is one of contradiction. Being socially conservative does not directly contradict the central ideas of socialism, whereas the religious beliefs and "enforcement" of those beliefs directly contradict the core ideology of the republican party, the concept of a minimalist government. It's about as incoherent as it gets. And historically speaking, a relatively new stance for mainstream right wingers.


(27-10-2015 04:08 PM)Dom Wrote:  I noticed this ages ago and quit liking the republicans. They are way more likely to introduce restrictive laws than the democrats. The whole party line is a lie.

This is exactly my point. They are more like to introduce those restrictive laws precisely because of the religious influence from within. IF that influence were removed and let the party actually do what they say they stand for, namely small government, they would be far less likely to introduce those kinds of laws than the democrats. As a matter of fact, I could even see the ridiculously bloated law books shrinking a bit.
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27-10-2015, 04:24 PM
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Those fiscal conservative republicans are history. Those who still consider themselves that should form a new party, because the Republican party is gone.
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27-10-2015, 05:45 PM
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What I find remarkable is how many once moderate - or at least thoughtful - Republicans have just gone along for the ride as their party attached itself to religious wing-nuttery and veered ever farther into know-nothingism.

I know a really great old couple who have owned a very iconic, successful business in Boulder, Colorado for 60 years (McGuckin Hardware). I wrote a book about the store and this family, and their approach to business is old-school, but also successful. They've fended off corporate behemoths time after time, even as they employ lots of people - you can stand around in Home Depot for 15 minutes before someone notices you, but at McGuckin, someone is on you as soon as you're in the door ... and they are all incredibly knowledgeable - and pay them a very good wage. People have worked there for 40 or 45 years and have been able to live in uber-expensive Boulder.

This couple are both dyed-in-the-wool Republicans. That makes some sense if you go back a good many decades, but not in today's corporate, Christ-haunted GOP.

The woman asked recently why I wasn't a Republican. I mentioned my objections to the know-nothing, religious, mean-spirited approach I see in today's party, and she said, "Oh, I know! It's just awful!"

But, she said, there is no way she could be a Democrat.

The two-party system is garbage, but it would work better if we hadn't all bent over and decided that "money is free speech." It all starts there.

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27-10-2015, 06:24 PM
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Well i disagree with freedom as the primary right, but I do agree that the republican party makes itself "unvotable" because of the heavy religious influence.

I wish in politics they focused more on issues that fix conflict/national debt rather than the issues they tend to focus on that won't change our country's (USA) situation.

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27-10-2015, 07:10 PM
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I would say I have a streaky political nature. I have a bit of an anarchist slant, some left libertarian leanings and a dash of socialism in there too.

If I'm being honest with myself, voting is rather meaningless in our society (oligarchy), but I do feel grassroots movements are necessary and can appeal to the greater good in a large sample of people.

In my view, political participation and an open dialogue matters more than who you're voting for. Knowing the issues and what you'd like to see change is what excites me about political discussion.
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27-10-2015, 07:24 PM
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(27-10-2015 03:52 PM)RinChi Wrote:  There should be no drug laws

No.

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27-10-2015, 07:28 PM
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My problem is that I don't like any of the two major parties. I don't vote Libertarian anymore because of various reasons. I have, however, voted for various parties and independents over time.

I don't know... getting frustrated with the current system.
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