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31-12-2012, 06:18 AM
RE: Forum Management Change
Do you not have faith in the moderators to use their brains and common sense?

I am not asking for marshal law that you are making this out to be.

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31-12-2012, 06:27 AM
RE: Forum Management Change
(31-12-2012 06:18 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Do you not have faith in the moderators to use their brains and common sense?

I am not asking for marshal law that you are making this out to be.

Many people thought our common sense should lead us to ban you for racism. Common sense is subjective, one persons common sense is different to another's.

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31-12-2012, 06:32 AM
RE: Forum Management Change
(31-12-2012 06:27 AM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(31-12-2012 06:18 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Do you not have faith in the moderators to use their brains and common sense?

I am not asking for marshal law that you are making this out to be.

Many people thought our common sense should lead us to ban you for racism. Common sense is subjective, one persons common sense is different to another's.
But what I'm saying is, take that issue example, never would have gotten to the point it did if moderators were able to use common sense.

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31-12-2012, 06:33 AM
RE: Forum Management Change
(31-12-2012 06:32 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  But what I'm saying is, take that issue example, never would have gotten to the point it did if moderators were able to use common sense.

What do you mean?

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31-12-2012, 06:51 AM
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(31-12-2012 06:33 AM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(31-12-2012 06:32 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  But what I'm saying is, take that issue example, never would have gotten to the point it did if moderators were able to use common sense.

What do you mean?
In said example, shit hit the fan. Much like this FZU thing. I'm saying, in that example if moderators could use common sense the whole situation could have been avoided, simply with a PM perhaps a threat of a ban, perhaps a temporary ban (can you guys even do temporary bans or is it just perma?) etc.. and that whooooooole thing may have been prevented from truly hitting the fan, and perhaps Girly would still like me.
But nope, shit was aloud to escalate and so shit did escalate. I mean what did that whole thing even achieve? nothing. I think we even lost a member because of it.
Think about it, I'm not even a troll, I actual give somewhat of a shit about most of the people here yet shit escalated. Replace me with someone like FZU who doesn't give a shit and shit has true potential, and does, to really escalate.

This is what I'm saying. Moderators need the power to be able to use common sense. It should then be on them to use that common sense in the situation to determine whether a ban or warning etc.. needs to be given depending on the member and situation. For example if you and I were to get into a massive argument that turned nasty then a ban may not be the best action from a moderator, but if someone with under like 50 posts just started abusing the shit out our members then perhaps a ban is the best course of action.

To have some sort of common sense rule does not mean banhammer being thrown around left right and center. It means just that, common sense.
Honestly, with it I can't see the forum changing much at all. But when situations like FZU/Anjele come up, then action can be taken before there are a million fucking threads about this person sucks, these rules need change, unban/ban him etc.. and shit escalates to a point like this.

I don't envision it would solve all issues, certainly moderators would need to stay neutral which would still cause issues as person X believes person Y should be banned but the moderators don't. But it would allow for more... I dunno, common sense.

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31-12-2012, 06:55 AM
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(31-12-2012 06:51 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  In said example, shit hit the fan. Much like this FZU thing. I'm saying, in that example if moderators could use common sense the whole situation could have been avoided, simply with a PM perhaps a threat of a ban, perhaps a temporary ban (can you guys even do temporary bans or is it just perma?) etc.. and that whooooooole thing may have been prevented from truly hitting the fan, and perhaps Girly would still like me.
But nope, shit was aloud to escalate and so shit did escalate. I mean what did that whole thing even achieve? nothing. I think we even lost a member because of it.
Think about it, I'm not even a troll, I actual give somewhat of a shit about most of the people here yet shit escalated. Replace me with someone like FZU who doesn't give a shit and shit has true potential, and does, to really escalate.

This is what I'm saying. Moderators need the power to be able to use common sense. It should then be on them to use that common sense in the situation to determine whether a ban or warning etc.. needs to be given depending on the member and situation. For example if you and I were to get into a massive argument that turned nasty then a ban may not be the best action from a moderator, but if someone with under like 50 posts just started abusing the shit out our members then perhaps a ban is the best course of action.

To have some sort of common sense rule does not mean banhammer being thrown around left right and center. It means just that, common sense.
Honestly, with it I can't see the forum changing much at all. But when situations like FZU/Anjele come up, then action can be taken before there are a million fucking threads about this person sucks, these rules need change, unban/ban him etc.. and shit escalates to a point like this.

I don't envision it would solve all issues, certainly moderators would need to stay neutral which would still cause issues as person X believes person Y should be banned but the moderators don't. But it would allow for more... I dunno, common sense.

I'm not sat here wanting FZU to be banned but feeling powerless to do so because of the rules. I don't think he should be banned. I value our approach to free-speech. I don't just rigidly follow it.

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31-12-2012, 10:10 AM
RE: Forum Management Change
Can we all shaddup about fzu. He likes his own kind of party and doesn't care if no one else shows up.

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01-01-2013, 03:39 PM
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(31-12-2012 06:51 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  In said example, shit hit the fan. Much like this FZU thing. I'm saying, in that example if moderators could use common sense the whole situation could have been avoided, simply with a PM perhaps a threat of a ban, perhaps a temporary ban (can you guys even do temporary bans or is it just perma?) etc.. and that whooooooole thing may have been prevented from truly hitting the fan, and perhaps Girly would still like me.

Ahhhh ... I still like you MuffinHead. Never stopped liking you. Girly don't let little things like you being a racist fuckturd get in the way of friendship. That would be petty. Hug

(Seriously, I do like you, but don't tell ManlyGirl 'cause she might get jealous.)

(31-12-2012 06:55 AM)Hughsie Wrote:  I'm not sat here wanting FZU to be banned but feeling powerless to do so because of the rules. I don't think he should be banned. I value our approach to free-speech. I don't just rigidly follow it.

MuffinTop's point is that rules restrain the forum's Ban Hammer from acting expediently and efficiently, surgically even. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only rules the forum should have are Stark's original ones, no spam, no porn, no nudity. Add a caveat that "You can be banned arbitrarily and capriciously at the discretion of the Ban Hammer. The Ban Hammer decides if you get warnings first." and all is covered. Just don't give the Ban Hammer to a dick. Stark held the Ban Hammer and wasn't a dick. Evil sewer-dwelling clown held the Ban Hammer and wasn't a dick. Hellbound Preacher currently holds the Ban Hammer and isn't a dick. Buddy Christ had access to the Ban Hammer, and well, kinda was a dick, but only once and only after he thought it necessary. The Ban Hammer does takes its toll on the wielder of it but I disagree with those who would propose more rules and regulation and that this forum is somehow now too big to be run by a Philosopher Queen/King holding the Ban Hammer. Less rules and regulation means more flexibility for the Ban Hammer. Think that was MuffDiver's point.

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01-01-2013, 03:44 PM
RE: Forum Management Change
Let's face it, the FT is most likely gonna lose either way.

We either have rules we stick to and people will complain that we don't use common sense. Or we just ban at our discretion and people (most likely the same people oddly enough) will complain that we are power-hungry and unfair.

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01-01-2013, 03:48 PM
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(01-01-2013 03:44 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  Let's face it, the FT is most likely gonna lose either way.

We either have rules we stick to and people will complain that we don't use common sense. Or we just ban at our discretion and people (most likely the same people oddly enough) will complain that we are power-hungry and unfair.

You put the Ban Hammer in the hands of a single individual willing to assume the responsibility that comes with it. There is no "our" in this picture. Don't give it to a dick.

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