Freddy Gray trial: Cop Not Guilty
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24-05-2016, 09:40 AM
RE: Freddy Gray trial: Cop Not Guilty
Cops getting away with murder is hardly news.

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24-05-2016, 10:01 AM
RE: Freddy Gray trial: Cop Not Guilty
(23-05-2016 02:34 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  It's easy to decide somebody's guilty because that's how you feel about it.....


It's a whole lot harder to decide somebody's guilty if they confound you with facts..............

Precisely. In light of events like the Duke Lacrosse rape case, it highlights the importance of not having mob opinion overrule due process of law.

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24-05-2016, 10:02 AM
RE: Freddy Gray trial: Cop Not Guilty
(24-05-2016 09:40 AM)Minimalist Wrote:  Cops getting away with murder is hardly news.

Show me a police officer who has gotten away with murder.

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24-05-2016, 10:09 AM
RE: Freddy Gray trial: Cop Not Guilty
(24-05-2016 10:02 AM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  
(24-05-2016 09:40 AM)Minimalist Wrote:  Cops getting away with murder is hardly news.

Show me a police officer who has gotten away with murder.

Drew Peterson did for quite a good run

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24-05-2016, 10:37 AM
RE: Freddy Gray trial: Cop Not Guilty
(24-05-2016 10:09 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(24-05-2016 10:02 AM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  Show me a police officer who has gotten away with murder.

Drew Peterson did for quite a good run

No. Peterson is in prison for that crime.

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24-05-2016, 10:45 AM
RE: Freddy Gray trial: Cop Not Guilty
Little thought experiment: imagine the institution involved were different, the restraints imposed were for a different reason, but the rest remained the same.

An ambulance driver is transporting a patient in a straitjacket. Hospital staff willfully fail to secure the patient in order to maximise the discomfort the premeditated "rough ride" is going to cause. The driver chooses to drive exactly the way a "rough ride" goes, with fast acceleration and hard braking, intending for the patient to be thrown around inside the ambulance. As a direct result, the patient in the custody of the medical institution dies from injuries sustained. Should someone be held to account for that patient's death? If no one is held to account, has a deplorable injustice occurred? Will other people who may someday be subject to restraint by the same institution have a good reason to be angry, afraid, and vocal about their concerns?

Would the population "served" by that institution have good cause to call for shutting it down, and good reason to expect meaningful punishment of the staff involved?
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24-05-2016, 10:50 AM
RE: Freddy Gray trial: Cop Not Guilty
(24-05-2016 09:40 AM)Minimalist Wrote:  Cops getting away with murder is hardly news.

Citation please.

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24-05-2016, 11:56 AM
RE: Freddy Gray trial: Cop Not Guilty
(24-05-2016 10:45 AM)I Am Wrote:  Little thought experiment: imagine the institution involved were different, the restraints imposed were for a different reason, but the rest remained the same.

An ambulance driver is transporting a patient in a straitjacket. Hospital staff willfully fail to secure the patient in order to maximise the discomfort the premeditated "rough ride" is going to cause. The driver chooses to drive exactly the way a "rough ride" goes, with fast acceleration and hard braking, intending for the patient to be thrown around inside the ambulance. As a direct result, the patient in the custody of the medical institution dies from injuries sustained. Should someone be held to account for that patient's death? If no one is held to account, has a deplorable injustice occurred? Will other people who may someday be subject to restraint by the same institution have a good reason to be angry, afraid, and vocal about their concerns?

Would the population "served" by that institution have good cause to call for shutting it down, and good reason to expect meaningful punishment of the staff involved?

You're kind of comparing cases which are apples and oranges to each other. In addition we have all of the facts established in the hypothetical scenario you suggest vs a lot of unknowns in the Freddie Gray case. Finally, you suggest that, as a result of individual civil or criminal misconduct the public demand an entire department should be shut down vs adjudicating the individual malefactors for their actions.

If, however, there are a lot of unknowns to be established by the courts, the answer becomes the old lawyer saw of 'Well, it depends.....' It could go either way IF AND ONLY IF all the facts of the case align a certain way with the laws and regulations governing this scenario.

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24-05-2016, 03:25 PM
RE: Freddy Gray trial: Cop Not Guilty
(24-05-2016 07:14 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(23-05-2016 02:32 PM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  No, but then again, neither are you or I or anyone else outside of that courtroom.

The cops in question did the following:

Arrested a man for reasons that were questionable at best.

Restrained the arrestee in such a way that he could not control his own movements or protect himself from harm.

Placed the arrestee in a metal vehicle without securing him.

Deliberately drove said metal vehicle in such a way as to cause the arrestee to be thrown around the metal vehicle.

Being restrained as noted, the arrestee was unable to protect himself and suffered fatal injuries as a direct result of the actions of the law enforcement officers.

The act of driving a vehicle unsafely and in such a manner as to cause harm to an arrestee was well known, well documented and occurred so often as to have a name amongst the law enforcement officers.

Before this case there were multiple documented incidents involving injury, permanent disability and death. These incidents were settled in civil court.

The administration of the city and the police department were well aware of both past incidents and the continuation of this procedure.

They knew what they were doing could injure, cripple or kill that man when they did it. They did it anyway, then lied about it afterwards.

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Given that information, I think I have enough of an understanding of the case to make a personal judgment/opinion on it.

So be it. However the state's record of evidence was not enough to convince a jury that Nero was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

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24-05-2016, 05:14 PM
RE: Freddy Gray trial: Cop Not Guilty
Dude's attorneys were brilliant for giving up a jury trial and have the judge render the ruling. Judge knows the law better than any jury and if his attorneys were confident the law was on his side judge knows best.

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