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06-03-2010, 11:22 PM
 
RE: Free Will
Ok, Very well put, Now that is what I am talking about. "Unbeliever" is like a kid who learned something new, he has a little knowledge, but he has no wisdom. One of the definitions of wisdom is "wisdom is the application of knowledge" Stats and arguments are boring, like I put it an earlier post with "Unbeliever" about the sky is not blue post. So I commend you for speaking from the heart.

Let's take your side first, if I didn't think there was a God, then I would feel the same way you do, you are young, you will have a lot of pain, stress, unhappiness, worry, plus many other things. Wait until your parents die, or your kid is sick, or your husband/wife has problems, you can't pay the bills, you get old and can't do the things you used to, go to a nursing home and volunteer and see what old age will do to you. If I thought that after all that, that when I die, and you will, the birth to death ratio is one to one, that I then just cease to exist, and they put me in the ground and I became worm food, I would be gray too.

I am still being an atheist, here is where you and I will disagree on a few points. There would be no moral codes that come from within, why? I am here by chance, I am a mutation, (Total side note here, but if I believe in evolution, where does my feeling of love come from, how about sex drive, how about appreciation of beauty, anyway back to the topic) there is no right or wrong, societies, countries, civilizations, have changed there morals many times. Hitler thought it was ok to kill Jews, abortion was illegal now legal, we had prohibition, genocide, Mormon's think it is ok to lie to protect the the image and belief in the Mormon religion, same sex marriage was wrong, now it might become a law. Morals don't come from within or I sure they would be the same in the short recorded history that we have been here on earth, compared to the 3,500 MILLION years of life on earth, the stuff I mentioned took place in the last 50 years.

Raping and stealing make you unhappy, but what if that made me happy? Being "happy" has nothing to with right and wrong. Laws have and will change, what is wrong today will be right tomorrow.

On the theist side, I think the guilty feelings, unhappiness, morals that you have, come from God. I have hope that this life is temporary and there is something better, because if there is nothing else, what a waste.

Here is the study on free will and cheating that I mentioned.

http://current.com/19rau4c

Here is the charity study
http://www.barna.org/barna-update/articl...christians
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Free Will - ujcook - 02-03-2010, 06:15 AM
RE: Free Will - Unbeliever - 02-03-2010, 06:47 AM
RE: Free Will - martinb59 - 04-03-2010, 02:25 PM
RE: Free Will - Unbeliever - 04-03-2010, 02:27 PM
RE: Free Will - martinb59 - 04-03-2010, 05:43 PM
RE: Free Will - Unbeliever - 04-03-2010, 06:16 PM
RE: Free Will - martinb59 - 04-03-2010, 07:30 PM
RE: Free Will - Unbeliever - 04-03-2010, 07:45 PM
RE: Free Will - ashley.hunt60 - 04-03-2010, 08:05 PM
RE: Free Will - ashley.hunt60 - 04-03-2010, 06:53 PM
RE: Free Will - ashley.hunt60 - 02-03-2010, 06:56 PM
RE: Free Will - Unbeliever - 02-03-2010, 07:00 PM
RE: Free Will - Unbeliever - 04-03-2010, 08:10 PM
RE: Free Will - martinb59 - 04-03-2010, 09:09 PM
RE: Free Will - Unbeliever - 04-03-2010, 09:17 PM
RE: Free Will - ashley.hunt60 - 05-03-2010, 04:39 PM
RE: Free Will - martinb59 - 05-03-2010, 08:15 PM
RE: Free Will - Unbeliever - 05-03-2010, 10:42 PM
RE: Free Will - ashley.hunt60 - 05-03-2010, 10:48 PM
RE: Free Will - Nahuel - 05-03-2010, 07:17 PM
RE: Free Will - martinb59 - 06-03-2010 11:22 PM
RE: Free Will - Unbeliever - 06-03-2010, 11:51 PM
RE: Free Will - martinb59 - 07-03-2010, 04:01 PM
RE: Free Will - Unbeliever - 07-03-2010, 08:58 PM
RE: Free Will - martinb59 - 07-03-2010, 09:15 PM
RE: Free Will - Unbeliever - 07-03-2010, 09:57 PM
RE: Free Will - supermanlives1973 - 07-03-2010, 01:45 AM
RE: Free Will - ashley.hunt60 - 07-03-2010, 10:44 AM
RE: Free Will - supermanlives1973 - 07-03-2010, 07:34 AM
RE: Free Will - supermanlives1973 - 07-03-2010, 09:23 PM
RE: Free Will - Juppers - 08-03-2010, 05:58 AM
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