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27-07-2015, 11:37 AM
RE: Free will
(27-07-2015 11:22 AM)pablo Wrote:  It assaults the senses.

Assaulted peanuts?

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27-07-2015, 03:04 PM
RE: Free will
(27-07-2015 11:31 AM)hasgclean Wrote:  The information I gave is actualy very poor, thats why we, in confrontation with it, tend to say no instinctively. If I added what is experiencing the peanut then you'd see it's ok to look at it with loving eyes ^^ and that acceptance is actualy what enables people to live better, to enjoy all and every little thing as much as one can, well, one of the ways, hehe.

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Perhaps this will help me to understand - I know it helps me to enjoy each and every little thing as much as I can.

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Hmm, peanuts, good idea! I shall give it a shot.

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27-07-2015, 04:18 PM
RE: Free will
Empirical measure used by Ben Libet was the time difference between the readiness potential (RP) and the conscious action.

What he found was there was a measurable gap between the subconscious RP and the conscious action, indicating there might be a subconscious 'decision to act' made prior to the conscious act, one we are not consciously in control of. This is subject to some debate.

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27-07-2015, 07:56 PM
RE: Free will
Q: What do they mean when they say "free will"?
A: correct way to say: moral agency.
Q: what is moral agency?
A: ability to choose between good(right) and evil(wrong)
How can we know which thing has moral agency? by actions of the thing.
(Actions speak thousand words)

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27-07-2015, 10:24 PM
RE: Free will
(27-07-2015 07:56 PM)Alla Wrote:  Q: What do they mean when they say "free will"?
A: correct way to say: moral agency.
Q: what is moral agency?
A: ability to choose between good(right) and evil(wrong)
How can we know which thing has moral agency? by actions of the thing.
(Actions speak thousand words)

That action wouldn't be enough because "by the actions of the thing." doesn't divulge you to what good/right is and what evil/wrong is.

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27-07-2015, 10:41 PM
RE: Free will
(27-07-2015 10:24 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(27-07-2015 07:56 PM)Alla Wrote:  Q: What do they mean when they say "free will"?
A: correct way to say: moral agency.
Q: what is moral agency?
A: ability to choose between good(right) and evil(wrong)
How can we know which thing has moral agency? by actions of the thing.
(Actions speak thousand words)

That action wouldn't be enough because "by the actions of the thing." doesn't divulge you to what good/right is and what evil/wrong is.
I may ask thing(person): why did you help me? then I may have an answer: because it was right/good/moral thing to do and I love to do good".
this way I know that person has moral agency.

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28-07-2015, 06:23 AM
RE: Free will
(27-07-2015 10:41 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(27-07-2015 10:24 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  That action wouldn't be enough because "by the actions of the thing." doesn't divulge you to what good/right is and what evil/wrong is.
I may ask thing(person): why did you help me? then I may have an answer: because it was right/good/moral thing to do and I love to do good".
this way I know that person has moral agency.

Hmm.. But how do you know that person knows what is good/right? How do you know that person did have an actual agency or wasn't manipulated or coerced into doing it? Or perhaps it's not even a consciously acting person, but you wouldn't know that from that limited event.

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28-07-2015, 06:28 AM
RE: Free will
Free will???

Nope...

My lawyer charged me for the damned thing....

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28-07-2015, 11:39 AM
RE: Free will
(27-07-2015 07:56 PM)Alla Wrote:  Q: What do they mean when they say "free will"?
A: correct way to say: moral agency.
Q: what is moral agency?
A: ability to choose between good(right) and evil(wrong)
How can we know which thing has moral agency? by actions of the thing.
(Actions speak thousand words)

What about the Socratic argument that no one can deliberately choose evil?

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28-07-2015, 11:43 AM
RE: Free will
An interesting theory I heard was that the wave-particle concept can allow for freewill. Since electrons can be both a wave or a particle depending upon whether it is observed. This in the mind we have the ability to control the electrons state this turning the brain into a binary response system.

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