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21-11-2013, 01:36 AM (This post was last modified: 21-11-2013 01:42 AM by evenheathen.)
RE: Free will and god?
(20-11-2013 09:50 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Sorry, alpha male, but your logic is flawed...

"real, exciting, US version" ... is dull by comparison:




Yet this does prove that there is a god.

Didn't see even one good hit at full speed the whole clip. No wonder they don't wear pads. Drinking Beverage

(some incredible athleticism though, I will admit. I do like me some rugby)




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21-11-2013, 03:48 AM
RE: Free will and god?
(21-11-2013 01:36 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(20-11-2013 09:50 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Sorry, alpha male, but your logic is flawed...

"real, exciting, US version" ... is dull by comparison:




Yet this does prove that there is a god.

Didn't see even one good hit at full speed the whole clip. No wonder they don't wear pads. Drinking Beverage

(some incredible athleticism though, I will admit. I do like me some rugby)




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21-11-2013, 04:28 AM
RE: Free will and god?
(21-11-2013 01:36 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  ...
Didn't see even one good hit at full speed the whole clip. No wonder they don't wear pads. Drinking Beverage
...

Shane wasn't hit because he was moving too fast.

Try this:




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21-11-2013, 06:42 AM
RE: Free will and god?
(21-11-2013 01:36 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(20-11-2013 09:50 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Sorry, alpha male, but your logic is flawed...

"real, exciting, US version" ... is dull by comparison:




Yet this does prove that there is a god.

Didn't see even one good hit at full speed the whole clip. No wonder they don't wear pads. Drinking Beverage

(some incredible athleticism though, I will admit. I do like me some rugby)




And you'll not see a skillful tackle in American football. Drinking Beverage

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21-11-2013, 07:13 AM
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And the moral of the story is: there's no thread that can't be derailed with a football v. soccer debate. Smile
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21-11-2013, 07:17 AM
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(21-11-2013 07:13 AM)alpha male Wrote:  And the moral of the story is: there's no thread that can't be derailed with a football v. soccer debate. Smile

Technically, American football VS. football... Rolleyes

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21-11-2013, 07:24 AM
RE: Free will and god?
(21-11-2013 07:13 AM)alpha male Wrote:  And the moral of the story is: there's no thread that can't be derailed with a football v. soccer debate. Smile

Threads don't stay on the rails around here without a lot of effort. Thumbsup

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21-11-2013, 08:08 AM
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(20-11-2013 10:33 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(20-11-2013 09:03 AM)Chas Wrote:  A little too soon to say that. We don't know enough about mind to leap to that conclusion based on a few experiments.

You can, of course, choose to believe it. Drinking Beverage

(There are a lot of other experiments, besides Eagleman's).
The moral argument is based on :
1. full knowledge
2. "complete" consent
Those at least have been demonstrated to be false.

BB,

I cannot accuse you of lacking confidence in your posts.

I'm so glad we've once for all decided the questions of free will including full knowledge and complete consent. Do you completely consent that you now have full knowledge of these two facts?
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21-11-2013, 08:11 AM
RE: Free will and god?
Free will can be viewed in this manner:

*Not even God's miracles really remove our free will. The sea parts and the Israelites choose to flee down it, the Egyptians to follow. The Flood comes and individuals decide their attitude - as Maslow reminds us, the choice of how we die is the last human choice.

*I see it as God allows us to exercise free will in the same way that when I give car keys to my children though I invite them to go grocery shopping I choose to give them enough power to drive to the bad side of town and buy crack.

*When we stand before God (or cower) for judgment, we can claim determinism or try but we all reading this recognizing we have tremendous power of choice, dozens of times daily or more.
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21-11-2013, 08:22 AM
RE: Free will and god?
(21-11-2013 07:24 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(21-11-2013 07:13 AM)alpha male Wrote:  And the moral of the story is: there's no thread that can't be derailed with a football v. soccer debate. Smile

Threads don't stay on the rails around here without a lot of effort. Thumbsup

See? Now it's gonna be a PJ free-for-all. Dodgy

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