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24-11-2015, 04:46 PM
RE: Freewill and bible compilation
(24-11-2015 04:37 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  http://exploringthemind.com/the-mind/bra...you-decide

http://www.thelavinagency.com/blog-scien...-time.html

http://www.pbs.org/the-brain-with-david-...n-control/

None of this proves we aren't in control. Even Eagleman said that. Regardless, this is an argument aimed at theists and their beliefs that their god gave them freewill, not whether freewill ACTUALLY exists.

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24-11-2015, 04:51 PM
RE: Freewill and bible compilation
(24-11-2015 04:46 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  
(24-11-2015 04:37 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  http://exploringthemind.com/the-mind/bra...you-decide

http://www.thelavinagency.com/blog-scien...-time.html

http://www.pbs.org/the-brain-with-david-...n-control/

None of this proves we aren't in control. Even Eagleman said that. Regardless, this is an argument aimed at theists and their beliefs that their god gave them freewill, not whether freewill ACTUALLY exists.

No one said anything about "control". Either freewill exists or it doesn't. If ALL the elements are not in consciousness then the term "freewill" is an incorrect label. Everyone is constrained by countless elements, including past actions and patterns. Decisions are a subconscious "war" of competing possibilities.

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24-11-2015, 04:55 PM
RE: Freewill and bible compilation
(24-11-2015 02:24 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  So you are saying you don't have freewill?

And how can you reject knowledge that is implanted in your head? Do you actually understand what you are saying? It's not as if your god sat these bible writers down and had a class with them and they could choose to accept what he said or reject it. If he guided this book, then they had no choice in the matter.

Also bear in mind, Mormons think the bible is corrupted anyway. So this whole guidance thing was something that misfired in the case of the bible, though Mormons base some of their beliefs on the bible, I suppose they used the little demons in their heads to choose between which parts were or were not corrupted.

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24-11-2015, 05:48 PM
RE: Freewill and bible compilation
(24-11-2015 04:51 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(24-11-2015 04:46 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  None of this proves we aren't in control. Even Eagleman said that. Regardless, this is an argument aimed at theists and their beliefs that their god gave them freewill, not whether freewill ACTUALLY exists.

No one said anything about "control". Either freewill exists or it doesn't. If ALL the elements are not in consciousness then the term "freewill" is an incorrect label. Everyone is constrained by countless elements, including past actions and patterns. Decisions are a subconscious "war" of competing possibilities.

My brain, my actions, freewill.

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24-11-2015, 06:15 PM
RE: Freewill and bible compilation
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I suppose your mormon lore has a whole second nature to it with it's special purpose but if Angels have the same moral choice options of Humans. There is no point in the typical Christian explanation of why Humans are needed or desired by God to be a special being... literally what is different from Adam & Eve in the Garden and the Angels? There is no distinction and the whole idea of needing to suffer on the Earth to prove heavenly status is nonsense as Angels were given it.

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Who are angels?
Angels are children(sons and daughters) of God Elohim. They are spirits(intelligent beings).

There are pre-mortal life, mortal life and post-mortal life.
All of us(spirits or angels or children of God Elohim) were told in pre-mortal life that there are only to options in the future: eternal life(eternal progression) or death/self-destruction. There is no third option.
We(spirits, angels, children of Elohim) are also given in pre-mortal life an agency to choose between those two opposites.
Some of us chose death. But some of us chose life. All those who choose life in pre-mortal existence can have mortal life.
Mortal life is very, very important for eternal progression. Because only in mortal life we(spirits, angels, children of God) can have:
1)physical bodies
2)our own families( spouses and children)
3)learn about good and evil
Without all those things eternal progression or eternal life is not possible.


The difference between Adam and Eve in the garden and angels who were still in heaven is this:
Adam and Eve were very first angels(spirits, children of Elohim) who obtained immortal and later mortal physical bodies.

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