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01-01-2014, 04:02 AM
RE: From nothing, anything comes.
(31-12-2013 09:11 PM)LadyJane Wrote:  I am perfectly okay with nothing.
I find it hard to imagine. I mean I can get there and whatnot but I have to work at it. Thumbsup

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And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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01-01-2014, 04:16 AM
RE: From nothing, anything comes.
Wai.. WAIT! does that mean God came from SOMETHING!?

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01-01-2014, 03:33 PM (This post was last modified: 01-01-2014 03:36 PM by Heathen.)
RE: From nothing, anything comes.
Our universe, as far as we know has certain properties/laws which seem to always apply, one of which is time. Even time is beginning to be redefined and reevaluated, it is not necessarily constant, there is much more to it than we realize in our daily lives. Our understanding of the laws that govern our universe are being expanded. Also, we cannot know that other universes do not exist and what properties/laws those universes may or may not have. What if time did not exist before the big bang? Then there is no "before" since the concept of time did not exist. Drinking Beverage

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02-01-2014, 12:55 PM
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Given that we have something, how do you go about getting to this nothing ?
When we take a container and remove all matter, all light, everything we can think of and we're still left with something and that something weighs a certain amount, then we still haven't gotten to nothing yet.

That something that we fairly recently named dark matter, dark energy is an unknown at this point.
But even if we take that away, we still have space, we still have time, we still have physics and fields of force.

We can't get to a nothing.

All we have and probably all we ever will have is something.

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02-01-2014, 01:51 PM
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(02-01-2014 12:55 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Given that we have something, how do you go about getting to this nothing ?
When we take a container and remove all matter, all light, everything we can think of and we're still left with something and that something weighs a certain amount, then we still haven't gotten to nothing yet.

That something that we fairly recently named dark matter, dark energy is an unknown at this point.
But even if we take that away, we still have space, we still have time, we still have physics and fields of force.

We can't get to a nothing.

All we have and probably all we ever will have is something.

How do you know there will still be time, or space for that matter? A couple of months ago physicists provided information that lets them/us to believe time emerges from entanglement and is not an outside factor.

It is hard to get to nothing because there's nothing to arrive at, but that doesn't mean nothing isn't there (I'm not saying physically. There=doesn't exist).
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02-01-2014, 06:14 PM
RE: From nothing, anything comes.
(02-01-2014 01:51 PM)LadyJane Wrote:  
(02-01-2014 12:55 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Given that we have something, how do you go about getting to this nothing ?
When we take a container and remove all matter, all light, everything we can think of and we're still left with something and that something weighs a certain amount, then we still haven't gotten to nothing yet.

That something that we fairly recently named dark matter, dark energy is an unknown at this point.
But even if we take that away, we still have space, we still have time, we still have physics and fields of force.

We can't get to a nothing.

All we have and probably all we ever will have is something.

How do you know there will still be time, or space for that matter? A couple of months ago physicists provided information that lets them/us to believe time emerges from entanglement and is not an outside factor.

It is hard to get to nothing because there's nothing to arrive at, but that doesn't mean nothing isn't there (I'm not saying physically. There=doesn't exist).

There are fields of force that permeate the universe, gravity, electromagnetic, strong nuclear, weak nuclear, higgs. And if you have any of these, you have time and presumably space.

Attaining a true void is really really hard to do.

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02-01-2014, 06:47 PM
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(02-01-2014 06:14 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Attaining a true void is really really hard to do.

I dunno, did you happen to catch a glimpse of Stark's christmas bud? I'd bet you'd find a true void pretty easy after a couple rips on that. Yes

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02-01-2014, 07:14 PM
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(02-01-2014 06:47 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(02-01-2014 06:14 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Attaining a true void is really really hard to do.

I dunno, did you happen to catch a glimpse of Stark's christmas bud? I'd bet you'd find a true void pretty easy after a couple rips on that. Yes

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