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14-10-2015, 12:54 PM
RE: Fuck Hillary Clinton.
Quote:Fuck Hillary Clinton.

Blech! No thanks.

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18-10-2015, 06:55 AM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2015 09:39 AM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
RE: Fuck Hillary Clinton.
She's doomed in gun loving swing states like Florida, Pennsylvania and Virginia after her latest comments. The attack ads will be relentless. She was at an event in New Hampshire and said that mandatory gun buybacks (gun confiscation) is "worth looking into" as an option as the next step in gun control. Stricter gun laws are one thing, but mandatory gun confiscation? She's lost her mind.

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18-10-2015, 12:29 PM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2015 12:32 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Fuck Hillary Clinton.
(13-10-2015 05:46 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  The only Democrat I would trust is Jim Webb.

Bernie Sanders will fight to preserve your 2nd Amendment rights more than Webb. Hell more than even some of the Republican candidates.

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18-10-2015, 12:32 PM
RE: Fuck Hillary Clinton.
I don't think this is as cut and dry as people are making it out to be. First of all, a historical analysis of previous presidential campaign polls taken this far out from the election overwhelmingly attest to their uselessness of actually determining who is most likely at winning their respective primaries and are even more useless at informing the chances of a general election outcome. There will be less candidates in the field and more people paying attention to the campaigns the closer we get to the general elections, which will drastically fluctuate the poll results over the next year.

Additionally, as FiveThirtyEight has rather eloquently pointed out, people don't actually tend to vote on candidates based on "authenticity," but are rather more concerned with competency in their station. Yes, Hilary Clinton is a calculated politician who modifies her positions by adhering to the popularity of an idea within her party constituency at the time rather than speaking from her heart and therefore flip-flops between issues over a short period of time, but that is standard political practice (as distasteful as it is), and hardly a negative mark on her potential electoral turnout. Furthermore, the claim that she has lost support from moderates is flat out absurd, she is the Democratic moderate's choice, while Sanders is the alternative liberal choice, and despite some differences in policy, all the Democratic candidates are resoundingly unified in the majority of their stated standpoints. Plus, Hillary currently has the majority of her party's establishment backing, so unless Joe Biden decides to make a very late entry ASAP, Hillary is almost guaranteed to be the Democratic nomination.

On the other hand, the Republican Party campaign is a mess right now. The number of Republican candidates is the largest number of candidates running for one of the two major political parties in the history of U.S. presidential elections, and these aren't even comprised of novelty candidates either. Rubio, Bush, Kasich, Huckabee, Christie, Paul, and Cruz; all of them are dedicated career politicians with loyal support bases and cover a spectrum of political ideologies. Christie and Kasich lean more towards the moderate wings, Rubio and Bush are solid representatives of the central establishment, Paul caters to libertarians, and Huckabee and Cruz back extreme evangelical agendas. None of them are safe from having their campaigns fall apart either; Scott Walker was a very promising up and coming establishment candidate when his campaign went up in flames rather suddenly due to very poor spending decisions. Plus the "outsiders" with no political credentials like Carson and Fiorina are doing alarmingly well. Carson raked in a whopping $20 million in small donor funds during the 3rd quarter and Fiorina rose from a second rate token candidate to the premier leagues and has maintained a low burnout of her budgeting expenses. The Republican bigwigs are overwhelmed with diverse options and haven't been able to coalesce around a single candidate yet.

Then there is Trump, who is the colossus of this campaign cycle. He is an unstoppable juggernaut when it comes to generating media publicity and internet traffic and is soaring high above the other candidates in the popularity polls among Republican voters. Unlike the other candidates, he's running a campaign not based on substantive policies but on moxie and attitude, and his appeal among the potential voter base is scattered among a wide degree of demographics and ideologies rather than solidifying a clearly defined hegemony. He also seems to be preparing for a longer operation and is paving the necessary campaign structure needed to run in the primaries starting with Iowa and New Hampshire.

Most importantly, he's a huge threat to potential party and electoral unity the longer he's in the running. Never before has a serious presidential candidate been this openly hostile to the establishment of the party they are running under. He's gone after George Bush, he's gone after the Republican leadership, he's gone after all his opponents in the election, he's gone after Fox News; nobody is safe from his vitriol. In addition, his policies are all over the place, breaking from the party line on abortion and healthcare, tax reforms, and immigration. His immigration stances are particularly inflammatory, so much so that it could cause serious harm to the Republicans' reputation if he were in power.

In a campaign that is already saturated with a wide spectrum of different candidates, Trump is the fuse that will light that powder keg. If his momentum doesn't naturally subside on its own accord, the Republican establishment will throw everything they have to forcefully tear him down. That could have some very nasty consequences that could lead to rather serious fractures in the party and electorate. So before you decide that Hilary has already somehow doomed herself this far away from the election, remember that the Republican side of the campaign is currently a minefield, and there are very likely going to be some explosions happening somewhere down the line.

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18-10-2015, 12:33 PM
RE: Fuck Hillary Clinton.
(18-10-2015 12:29 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(13-10-2015 05:46 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  The only Democrat I would trust is Jim Webb.

Bernie Sanders will fight to preserve your 2nd Amendment rights more than Webb.

I've read different. I've heard Sanders tout his D (but has hit an F rating in the past) rating by the NRA. Webb is rated an A-.

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18-10-2015, 12:36 PM
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(13-10-2015 03:15 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  If she gets the nod from the ( D ) party - it'll likely spur record voting turnout from the ( R ) side....

And if she picks Julian Castro as her running mate it will spur record voter turnout from the D's.

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18-10-2015, 12:38 PM
RE: Fuck Hillary Clinton.
(18-10-2015 12:33 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(18-10-2015 12:29 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Bernie Sanders will fight to preserve your 2nd Amendment rights more than Webb.

I've read different. I've heard Sanders tout his D (but has hit an F rating in the past) rating by the NRA. Webb is rated an A-.

Thanks for that. Could you give me those links? If he's got a D rating from the NRA why are the other Democratic candidates attacking him over his gun control position?

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18-10-2015, 12:40 PM
RE: Fuck Hillary Clinton.
(18-10-2015 12:38 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(18-10-2015 12:33 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  I've read different. I've heard Sanders tout his D (but has hit an F rating in the past) rating by the NRA. Webb is rated an A-.

Thanks for that. Could you give me those links? If he's got a D rating from the NRA why are the other Democratic candidates attacking him over his gun control position?

http://redalertpolitics.com/2015/06/22/g...un-rights/

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18-10-2015, 12:42 PM
RE: Fuck Hillary Clinton.
(18-10-2015 12:40 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(18-10-2015 12:38 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Thanks for that. Could you give me those links? If he's got a D rating from the NRA why are the other Democratic candidates attacking him over his gun control position?

http://redalertpolitics.com/2015/06/22/g...un-rights/


Looks like they are still punishing him over 2 votes in the 90's.

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18-10-2015, 12:57 PM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2015 01:20 PM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
RE: Fuck Hillary Clinton.
(18-10-2015 12:36 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(13-10-2015 03:15 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  If she gets the nod from the ( D ) party - it'll likely spur record voting turnout from the ( R ) side....

And if she picks Julian Castro as her running mate it will spur record voter turnout from the D's.

Julian Castro is relatively an unknown. Obama won something like 97% of the black vote, but Hispanics are less likely to vote based on race, especially in southern states where more of them are religious and republican than other states. Record Hispanic turnout in California isn't going to change the California results, its already a guaranteed dem victory. Nor will it make Arizona or Texas turn red. It MAY guarantee a win in Nevada. Their population is too small in any other state to have any measurable affect. Florida is kind of a wild card. It's been swinging more to the right the last few years with the influx of older white voters moving from northern states.

According to this, The GOP Candidate only needs to win 47% of the Hispanic vote in Florida to win the state. And that doesn't even take in to consideration the expected higher GOP turnout or the older white voters moving into the state over the next 12 months.

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/p.../74163156/

I'll also add that the GOP candidate could steal some of the black vote by adding a black VP candidate to the ticket which would cancel out anything Castro would add. I've heard names like Sen. Tim Scott and Alan West at some fundraisers and events lately. Or Cruz or Rubio could put a dent into a Castro VP run.

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