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17-01-2016, 02:02 PM
RE: Fundamentalism and Science
(06-01-2016 09:29 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  
(05-01-2016 11:16 AM)Noric Wrote:  Wouldn't the latter decision develop a bit of willful ignorance from both of those sides, and then you'd basically be at square one again? I couldn't imagine a perfect equilibrium with those kinds of things because it comes at the cost of basically not wanting to deal with the conflicts by way of not knowing what the conflicts even are. Like ignorance of the law doesn't mean you're immune to it.

Well, then there are those who choose the third path: Thus this forum. People are good at compartmentalizing though. They can accept contradictory statements as simultaneously true. They can argue away inconsistencies until they seem small enough to ignore.

Contradictory statements can be true. Here's a pair:
- We need government austerity.
- we need government spending.

Both are undeniably and relentlessly true. We have enormous debt, and austerity would go a long way to assisting with that. OTOH, any accurate reading of the history of the industrial-consumer economy tells that economic activity FOLLOWS government spending, not vice versa. As but one example, railroads. Virtually all of them were built under government contract. This made many industrialists,much as Carnegie and Morgan, very rich. Likewise, many companies that defined the consumer economy would never have existed without those rails. The recently defunct Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company is but one of many examples.

So then. What do we do when contradictory statements are both true??
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17-01-2016, 05:03 PM
RE: Fundamentalism and Science
(17-01-2016 02:02 PM)coyote Wrote:  
(06-01-2016 09:29 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  Well, then there are those who choose the third path: Thus this forum. People are good at compartmentalizing though. They can accept contradictory statements as simultaneously true. They can argue away inconsistencies until they seem small enough to ignore.

Contradictory statements can be true. Here's a pair:
- We need government austerity.
- we need government spending.

Both are undeniably and relentlessly true. We have enormous debt, and austerity would go a long way to assisting with that. OTOH, any accurate reading of the history of the industrial-consumer economy tells that economic activity FOLLOWS government spending, not vice versa. As but one example, railroads. Virtually all of them were built under government contract. This made many industrialists,much as Carnegie and Morgan, very rich. Likewise, many companies that defined the consumer economy would never have existed without those rails. The recently defunct Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company is but one of many examples.

So then. What do we do when contradictory statements are both true??

You can always pray about it
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17-01-2016, 08:06 PM
RE: Fundamentalism and Science
(17-01-2016 02:02 PM)coyote Wrote:  
(06-01-2016 09:29 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  Well, then there are those who choose the third path: Thus this forum. People are good at compartmentalizing though. They can accept contradictory statements as simultaneously true. They can argue away inconsistencies until they seem small enough to ignore.

Contradictory statements can be true. Here's a pair:
- We need government austerity.
- we need government spending.

Both are undeniably and relentlessly true. We have enormous debt, and austerity would go a long way to assisting with that. OTOH, any accurate reading of the history of the industrial-consumer economy tells that economic activity FOLLOWS government spending, not vice versa. As but one example, railroads. Virtually all of them were built under government contract. This made many industrialists,much as Carnegie and Morgan, very rich. Likewise, many companies that defined the consumer economy would never have existed without those rails. The recently defunct Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company is but one of many examples.

So then. What do we do when contradictory statements are both true??

No, they can't. Any system of logic that contains contradictory statements suffers from the principle of explosion. Whenever you find an instance of contradictory statements it's a good indictor that either somebody has made a mistake or the two statements aren't actually contradictory.

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