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22-08-2015, 11:32 AM
RE: GMO's and genetic manipulation has produced horrific results
(22-08-2015 11:28 AM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  Those that worship science tend to not want to believe their dear science would ever hurt anyone or that vile individuals would ever use their dear science to hurt innocent people, especially those most vulnerable 3rd world girls.

But in real life, in the real world... real motivations by those that want more money and power dictate they will do whatever it takes to meet their aims and get them to their selfish goals.

In the real world, as Einstein found out, making nuclear weapons so powerful as to destroy millions, wasn;t enough of a deterant to stop those in power from dropping them, making more of them, and using them as a means or threat to be even more powerful.

Einstein was brilliant, but didn't understand mankind very well, and was rather naive in his complicity in making nuclear bombs.

As before so again..

GMO's are horrific...... and are not meant to help mankind feed themselves, only the corporations to feed on the poor.

You mention the real world.....stick around and live in it for while, let that play pretend transcedental world where magic happens, bigfoot lopes around and jesus was the son of a made up god behind. Thumbsup

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22-08-2015, 11:35 AM
RE: GMO's and genetic manipulation has produced horrific results
Ugh, yeah I've already wasted enough of my day dealing with this half-wit.

I have two more batches to process and get packaged to be UPS'ed to customers before pickup time, and a subframe to weld. Nothing calms me down like fusing electron orbits of iron atoms.

I still can't believe this guy is real. I don't think he's a Poe, but Dogdamnit, I wish he was.

What an astoundingly-arrogant, manipulative, dishonest, and self-righteous asshole. Angry

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22-08-2015, 11:50 AM
RE: GMO's and genetic manipulation has produced horrific results
(22-08-2015 11:35 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Ugh, yeah I've already wasted enough of my day dealing with this half-wit.

I have two more batches to process and get packaged to be UPS'ed to customers before pickup time, and a subframe to weld. Nothing calms me down like fusing electron orbits of iron atoms.

I still can't believe this guy is real. I don't think he's a Poe, but Dogdamnit, I wish he was.

What an astoundingly-arrogant, manipulative, dishonest, and self-righteous asshole. Angry

Everytime he makes a post I just laugh

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22-08-2015, 12:10 PM
RE: GMO's and genetic manipulation has produced horrific results
(22-08-2015 11:01 AM)natachan Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 07:59 AM)cjlr Wrote:  In actuality even this is not much of a point. It is not possible to sue for incidental pollination. It never has been. It has never occurred. And so that has nothing to do with genetic modification in any case...

The basic economic realities in effect make the price irrelevant as well. If the strain generates a higher yield or requires fewer outside inputs (eg pesticides) then it is worth a higher price. If it is not worth it, no one will buy it.

Didn't know about the first bit. I had been told they could be sued over it. Will look into it.

Unintentional pollination cannot be actionable under any legal framework I've ever heard of.
(if biotechnology can be considered intellectual property, then there are consequences of violating property laws - and by every Noodly Appendage, I don't think the present systems are ideal! - but that has literally nothing to do with GMOs)

(22-08-2015 11:01 AM)natachan Wrote:  As to the markets making price irrelivent, that's not entirely true. These crops still require a large up front investment. If you are growing off seed that you keep from previous yeilds (things you can't do with many GMOs)...

Pertaining to the above point is that no modern farmer re-uses pollinated seed anyway. This has been true for over a hundred years - the first widespread, distinct (and, indeed, patented) crop strains originated in the late 19th century and they do not breed true to the traits for which they were derived. So this complaint - which we could gloss as bioethics, I guess? - is not specifically related to GMOs either.

(for example, wheat varietals which were instrumental in allowing farming in the Canadian prairie - Red Fife, Marquis, and such - date to that period, are protected and registered entities; see here or here, for a start)

(22-08-2015 11:01 AM)natachan Wrote:  ... or if you are just scraping by then you might not have the capital to buy new GMO seeds. These plants are not widely available to the poorest farmers, such as those in the third world where they are most needed.

Yes, if the profit motive is the sole factor considered; crops like golden rice, on the other hand, were explicitly developed with humanitarian benefits in mind, and are intended to be distributed for free...
(the very cynical might still say it's because living customers are more valuable than dead ones, but at that point does it really matter?)

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22-08-2015, 12:11 PM
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(22-08-2015 11:07 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 10:53 AM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  Controlling the population through forced vaccine sterilization is not science and not beneficiasl but dacronian and elitism to the max. Forcing so called reduction of the worlds population through introduced diseases, and more wars, and sterilization is hardly something to be honoured because it comes from the ruling class.

What part of "0.0017%" do you not get? THEY CANNOT do as you allege, and "control the population" of a country with 46,000,000 people that way.

If you knew my positions here at all, you'd know I'm one of the staunchest critics of imperialism and the ruling elite. I'm damned near to being a socialist, in that regard... but your ideas are simply bullshit, and anyone who can use a calculator to divide 70,000 / 46,000,000 can tell you why they're bullshit.

Uh-oh. Don't make me report you to our glorious Reptiloid overlords for thoughtcrime, comrade.

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22-08-2015, 12:15 PM
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This fool is a hypocrite. he believes in science and in every way would use it to his last breath if he were sick, needed heart surgery, was having a stroke, and a neuro-intervention would save him. He would call 911 in a heartbeat, and not just pray to his impotent Jebus.

Before SCIENCE starting working on the problem, 2.5 MILLION people had Guinea Worm Disease. Innocent people. Innocent children. (Supposedly these theist fools say this is somehow the result of sin, and the *will of god", as is Ebola and Malaria. Yet these SAME Christians thwart the will of this same god, and do every thing they can (as missionaries) to work against the god's *divine will*. Now, after years of work (Jimmy Carter's foundation) last year, there were 125 cases of Guinea Worm. Jebus lifted NOT A FINGER to stop it. Humans did.

Yeah, This dishonest asshole. He believes in science. He would use DNA to get out of prison. The same DNA that proves Evolution is true.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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22-08-2015, 12:38 PM
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(22-08-2015 10:57 AM)natachan Wrote:  You are a nutter or a POE.

What if he's both? Hobo Dude reminds of MarkyMarkandhisMagnificentTransamChariot. Or maybe I&I. Nah, I&I was smarter. Or maybe David Mabus? Nah, not quite Mabus crazy. I'm going with MarkyMark just because he seen God and took her picture.

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22-08-2015, 12:40 PM
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(22-08-2015 11:35 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Ugh, yeah I've already wasted enough of my day dealing with this half-wit.

I see it more as entertainment than investment. Big Grin

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22-08-2015, 12:46 PM
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(22-08-2015 10:49 AM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 09:56 AM)Chas Wrote:  You need help. Your paranoia is running your life. Get help.

Yes Chas, you need help, when you just dont care about others, and flippantly and foolishly consider caring about others as paranoia. Yes, you need help, but will never get the love that will stop your uncaring atitude until you personnally realize the importance of every individual person.

Until you have and know the principle, of
DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU..

you will need help..... this goes for Rocket as well, what he doesn;t want done to his financee should be the same principle as what he doesn;t want done to the innocent and defenseless girls of Kenya.

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22-08-2015, 12:47 PM
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(22-08-2015 11:17 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  There is shit out there to be scared shitless of but GMOs and vaccines ain't them.

Like this guy actually believing in the stuff he does and the fact that there are probably more like him.

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