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25-08-2015, 09:47 PM
RE: GOD IS LOVING AND MERCIFUL
(13-08-2015 11:01 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(13-08-2015 08:56 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  So the only difference between me and a god is he's 5'11 and owns a flood light?
If you just look at Him this what you will see. A Man. But height and light is not the only difference. God has no blood in His veins. His physical body has different degree of glory. It is immortal.
That is all He revealed as far as I remember.
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Again I brings me to the question of this Evil Spirit? What ever that is? It would be lying to you the whole way wouldn't it.
I don't think evil spirit would lie to me the whole way.
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  "Alla, the world is flat Alla." When the world is round.
"Alla, Animals can talk Alla." When animals couldn't talk.
"Alla, I'm really the nice guy, I wouldn't lie." When he would be.
I would know that it is evil spirit. Holy Ghost doesn't teach this way.
By the way why would Spirit teach me this kind of things? Why would God even care what I know or think about shape of the Earth or whether animals can talk?
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  What if it was an evil being lying to you? How would you be able to distinguish this from a good being?
I know what influence of the Holy Ghost is. Every time when I feel His influence and He teaches me something later I have an evidence if I follow this teaching, if I follow according to my faith. I have faith in Holy Ghost.
I can know the difference between the influence of the Holy Ghost and influence of something/somebody else.
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Evil Spirits Alla!
They would know what to say to get your to be believe them.
I believe they know. But I have gift of the Holy Ghost. It means that He is my constant companion. It means I can have His influence all the time. If I believed evil spirit He would warn me. And I know how the Holy Ghost makes warnings.

(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  What would a god need with two legs? Thumbs? A spine?
If you know what you need with all those things you have your answer.
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  If his eyes are at the front of his head it's a demonstration of a predator species.
OK
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  And if he is a man that would make him a primate, an ape.
He is not mortal man.
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Why would he need hair?
To change hairdo? to look good? Big Grin
I don't know yet why immortal Man need hair. But I believe that one day I will know.
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  A penis?
I would assume that He has it.
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  What is he having sex with? Or urinating on? So got takes shits, it his shiny butt hole?
I don't know. But I do not reject this idea. He has immortal, physical, resurrected, glorified body of flesh and bones. This is what He revealed. He also revealed that men are created in His image. He also revealed that resurrection is restoration of mortal physical body and re-union of this body with spirit(intelligence).
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Teeth for grinding food. What dose he need to eat, drink. Use it for a verbal commutator.
Yes, Gods eat(according to the revelations)
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  By saying he is a man you admit he is limited to a fix state of being. His rang of ability is vastly limited.
He is not mortal man. He is glorified resurrected immortal Man. There is difference.
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  If we asked another belevae that says they were visted by the Spooky Ghost...sorry "holy" Ghost would they say the same? I know YOU would say yes. But I think you should ask the question to another believer.
If the Holy Ghost confirms to me that another believer says the truth I will accept his/her claim(statement)
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Which brings me back to original statement.
You place yourself higher then everyone.
No, every child of God can be taught by the Holy Ghost. without the Holy Ghost anybody can deceive me. How do I know that Joseph Smith is the Prophet of God? Spirit confirms it to me. How do I know that Monson is Prophet of God these days? Spirit confirms it to me.
How do I know BoM is true? Spirit testifies this to me.
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  I was a believer for 29 years of my life. Accepted Jesus and the Holy Ghost into my heart. And I can honestly say. NOT ONCE! was I visited by a Ghost, Apparition, specter, spook, poltergeist, entity, or Celestial Being EVER!
I believe you. You are not alone I guess. I became a believer the moment the Holy Ghost testified to me that Jesus Christ lives. Atheist became a believer.
By the way, you don't have to believe me.
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  If you are seeing things, hearing voicies. You should really talk to a therapist. You may have a Schizophreniform disorder.
what things are you talking about?
what is wrong with hearing voices? I assume you hear voices: when you watch TV, when you go school, or when you talk on the phone. Smile

(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  You can be very full of yourself. A very Proud individual.
I guess I could be this kind of person. I am not perfect.
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Isn't Pride a sin?
Yes, and your point is?
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Well i'm sure you get a pass because you and the ghost man are tight.
Not if I don't repent.
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Here's an easy test to see if this Ghost man is real. If this Ghost can be everywhere. Knows all the right answers. And that you talk to him.
I'm going to wright a sentence on a peace of paper. Tell me what it says.
Looks like you do not know how and what the Holly Ghost teaches. Oh, yes, you told me that you don't know.
If I told you that I am some kind of psychic then you could make this test.
The Holy Ghost does this:
1)He testifies of Christ and Father
2)He testifies about all the truth.
3)He warns in case of danger
4)He comforts me when I am sad, depressed, scared
5) he answers my questions about God and about things that are important for me personally and important for my family.
Holy Ghost doesn't do silly things like telling me what someone wrote on the paper.
I even doubt you wrote something.
(12-08-2015 07:19 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  You should also check out these other people that are the modern prophets of god.
Jim Jones - The Peoples Temple
Stephen Tari - Black Jesus
Jeffrey Lundgren - Lundgren Farm
Vissarion - Church of the Last Testament.
I already know who true prophets are. Spirit testified to me.
If Spirit didn't testify to me I would check them.

You think this is a prophet of God?

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He looks more like an overweight elderly suburban yankee to me.
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25-08-2015, 10:55 PM (This post was last modified: 26-08-2015 12:59 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: GOD IS LOVING AND MERCIFUL
(25-08-2015 04:51 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(13-08-2015 11:01 PM)Alla Wrote:  God has no blood in His veins.

Now hold up there just a sec, Alla. Are you saying Jesus did not bleed from the crown of thorns on his head, the nails in his feet and hands, the spear in his side?

So, how does that work? If we're supposedly made in God's image, how can he not have blood if we do?

Of course one has to wonder why an omniscient universe creator needs two forward facing light sensitive clusters of dendrites and optic nerves with a limited focal length and capable of perceiving a tiny sliver of the electromagnetic spectrum (colloquially known as eyeballs), but then again we do know far more than the ignorant goat-fuckers who wrote the Torah, Bible, Quran, and the Book of Mormon.

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26-08-2015, 06:17 PM (This post was last modified: 27-08-2015 06:15 AM by Tomasia.)
GOD IS LOVING AND MERCIFUL
(10-08-2015 10:23 AM)mgoering Wrote:  I noticed that those who read the OT with any sort of critical eye, make the observation, and rightly so, that God is a beast: slaughtering humans throughout for smallest infractions (collecting firewood on the Sabbath, trying to steady the GD Arc of the Covenant that is on the verge of tipping over, poking fun at a bald man -- all sentenced to death in the most inhumane way). But what I've also noticed is that nearly all these killings are a result of God's jealousy and anger as illustrated in the following verse:

I don't think it has anything to do with a critical eye, but primarily about sentiment. Those prone to dewey eyed humanistic sentiments, will likely find the violent aspects, of a variety of biblical and religious characters offensive.

I'd be curious of what the image of a loving God would be? If we excluded the bible from the question, could a God that created a world like ours be a loving God?

Would our world reveal the scars of a malevolent creator? Or an indifferent one? Does it negate the existence of a loving God in and of itself? Would it fit a world composed in the grotesque images of the Christian God?

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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26-08-2015, 06:25 PM
RE: GOD IS LOVING AND MERCIFUL
(26-08-2015 06:17 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  I'd be curious of what the image of a loving God would be? If we excluded the bible from the question, could a God that created a world like ours be a loving God?

No, no loving god would ever create a world like this. No loving god would supply humankind with such a massive variety of religious beliefs insomuch that each belief system points to a different god, which leads the world into confusion, hatred for each other, and totally ignorant about which god might be the true god.

No god at all created this world.

Religion did.

How can anyone become an atheist when we are all born with no beliefs in the first place? We are atheists because we were born this way.
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26-08-2015, 06:44 PM (This post was last modified: 26-08-2015 06:59 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: GOD IS LOVING AND MERCIFUL
(26-08-2015 06:17 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(10-08-2015 10:23 AM)mgoering Wrote:  I noticed that those who read the OT with any sort of critical eye, make the observation, and rightly so, that God is a beast: slaughtering humans throughout for smallest infractions (collecting firewood on the Sabbath, trying to steady the GD Arc of the Covenant that is on the verge of tipping over, poking fun at a bald man -- all sentenced to death in the most inhumane way). But what I've also noticed is that nearly all these killings are a result of God's jealousy and anger as illustrated in the following verse:

I don't think it has anything to do with a critical eye, but primarily about sentiment. Those prone to dewey eyed humanistic sentiments, will likely find the violent aspects, of a variety of biblical and religious characters offensive.

I'd be curious of what the image of a loving God would be? If we excluded the bible from the question, could a God that created a world like ours be a loving God?

Would our world reveal the scars of a malevolent creator? Or an indifferent one? Does it negate the existence of loving God in and of itself? Would it fit a world composed in the grotesque images of the Christian God?

Those are very good questions Tomatillo. I'm transcribing my thoughts on them while I'm tripping my balls off. At this point I'm thinking dude's a paranoid schizophrenic with multiple personalities. I'll get back to you in 12-14 hours. Thumbsup

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26-08-2015, 07:28 PM
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(26-08-2015 06:17 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(10-08-2015 10:23 AM)mgoering Wrote:  I noticed that those who read the OT with any sort of critical eye, make the observation, and rightly so, that God is a beast: slaughtering humans throughout for smallest infractions (collecting firewood on the Sabbath, trying to steady the GD Arc of the Covenant that is on the verge of tipping over, poking fun at a bald man -- all sentenced to death in the most inhumane way). But what I've also noticed is that nearly all these killings are a result of God's jealousy and anger as illustrated in the following verse:

I don't think it has anything to do with a critical eye, but primarily about sentiment. Those prone to dewey eyed humanistic sentiments, will likely find the violent aspects, of a variety of biblical and religious characters offensive.

I'd be curious of what the image of a loving God would be? If we excluded the bible from the question, could a God that created a world like ours be a loving God?

Would our world reveal the scars of a malevolent creator? Or an indifferent one? Does it negate the existence of loving God in and of itself? Would it fit a world composed in the grotesque images of the Christian God?

An indifferent or malevolent creator would create a world that included:
Earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes, blizzards, spinabifida, Down syndrome,
cystic fibrosis, Huntington's disease, sickle cell anemia, hemophilia, malaria, diabetes, septicemia,
rabies, anthrax, Ebola, smallpox, polio, bubonic plague, tularemia, Dengue fever, leishmaniasis,
brucellosis, hepatitis, AIDS, mosquitoes, infectious bacteria and viruses, ...

Let's see - do you know of a world like that? Consider

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27-08-2015, 04:29 AM
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(26-08-2015 07:28 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(26-08-2015 06:17 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  I don't think it has anything to do with a critical eye, but primarily about sentiment. Those prone to dewey eyed humanistic sentiments, will likely find the violent aspects, of a variety of biblical and religious characters offensive.

I'd be curious of what the image of a loving God would be? If we excluded the bible from the question, could a God that created a world like ours be a loving God?

Would our world reveal the scars of a malevolent creator? Or an indifferent one? Does it negate the existence of loving God in and of itself? Would it fit a world composed in the grotesque images of the Christian God?

An indifferent or malevolent creator would create a world that included:
Earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes, blizzards, spinabifida, Down syndrome,
cystic fibrosis, Huntington's disease, sickle cell anemia, hemophilia, malaria, diabetes, septicemia,
rabies, anthrax, Ebola, smallpox, polio, bubonic plague, tularemia, Dengue fever, leishmaniasis,
brucellosis, hepatitis, AIDS, mosquitoes, infectious bacteria and viruses, ...

Let's see - do you know of a world like that? Consider

Would it be malevolent or indifferent?

In most of the early religious traditions that conceived of a creator God, the view was one of indifference. If we are judging the nature of God based on his creation, would we say he had a malevolent disposition to mankind? Or an indifferent one?

Would we judge him to be worse than how we judge the God of the bible? On par? Not as bad?
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27-08-2015, 08:18 AM
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(27-08-2015 04:29 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(26-08-2015 07:28 PM)Chas Wrote:  An indifferent or malevolent creator would create a world that included:
Earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes, blizzards, spinabifida, Down syndrome,
cystic fibrosis, Huntington's disease, sickle cell anemia, hemophilia, malaria, diabetes, septicemia,
rabies, anthrax, Ebola, smallpox, polio, bubonic plague, tularemia, Dengue fever, leishmaniasis,
brucellosis, hepatitis, AIDS, mosquitoes, infectious bacteria and viruses, ...

Let's see - do you know of a world like that? Consider

Would it be malevolent or indifferent?

I don't know - that's why I said 'or'. How can one tell the difference?

Quote:In most of the early religious traditions that conceived of a creator God, the view was one of indifference. If we are judging the nature of God based on his creation, would we say he had a malevolent disposition to mankind? Or an indifferent one?

Looks malevolent to me. Drinking Beverage

Quote:Would we judge him to be worse than how we judge the God of the bible? On par? Not as bad?

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
-Richard Dawkins

So, you tell me.

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27-08-2015, 08:45 AM
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(27-08-2015 08:18 AM)Chas Wrote:  I don't know - that's why I said 'or'. How can one tell the difference?

It’s a question of opinion, a value judgement.

You did suggest that it “looks malevolent”, so that would suffice.

But in this regard there is some consistency in your perception of the God of the Bible, and the supposed God of our world, that they both appear malevolent. Though it’s not clear which one is more unpleasant.

In fact if the Bible wrote of a rosey sort of God, the most pleasant character in all of fiction, we would perhaps likely conclude that if there was a real God, it couldn’t possibly be this rosey one. Our world would suggest that if there were a God, that God would have to be one that "looks malevolent" to you, not a saccharine one.
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27-08-2015, 08:52 AM
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(27-08-2015 08:45 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 08:18 AM)Chas Wrote:  I don't know - that's why I said 'or'. How can one tell the difference?

It’s a question of opinion, a value judgement.

You did suggest that it “looks malevolent”, so that would suffice.

But in this regard there is some consistency in your perception of the God of the Bible, and the supposed God of our world, that they both appear malevolent. Though it’s not clear which one is more unpleasant.

In fact if the Bible wrote of a rosey sort of God, the most pleasant character in all of fiction, we would perhaps likely conclude that if there was a real God, it couldn’t possibly be this rosey one. Our world would suggest that if there were a God, that God would have to be one that "looks malevolent" to you, not a saccharine one.

My point is that the idea of a loving god is simply unsupportable.
No reasonable case can be made for it.

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