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14-02-2015, 04:33 PM
GWG and Call of the Wild "Did Jesus Exist" commentary thread
The fact (or actually the assertion) that "virtually all scholars who write on the subject believe Jesus existed" is irrelevant.
1. There is no support provided for the claim.
2. Most secular scholars don't even bother with the subject, thus almost ALL those who do write on the subject are employees of religious institutions and are occupationally obligated (or else they would get fired) not to go against the prevailing beliefs of the believers who pay their salaries. Almost ALL who write on the subject have an inherent conflict of interest. There is a sizable camp of those who do not think he existed, (and some don't even think Paul really existed).
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/time.html

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14-02-2015, 04:48 PM (This post was last modified: 02-07-2017 08:44 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: GWG and Call of the Wild "Did Jesus Exist" commentary thread
(14-02-2015 04:33 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  The fact (or actually the assertion) that "virtually all scholars who write on the subject believe Jesus existed" is irrelevant.
1. There is no support provided for the claim.
2. Most secular scholars don't even bother with the subject, thus almost ALL those who do write on the subject are employees of religious institutions and are occupationally obligated (or else they would get fired) not to go against the prevailing beliefs of the believers who pay their salaries. Almost ALL who write on the subject have an inherent conflict of interest. There is a sizable camp of those who do not think he existed, (and some don't even think Paul really existed).
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/time.html

Very true, I also like how news stories are promulgated to say, "major university study proves jesus!" or some such nonsense, then when you research the story, big surprise, it is done by some all christian fundamentalist nonsense "university" that has 4 PHDs on staff who must toe the company line because they signed an agreement that they believe in jesus. Disingenuous misinformation at its best.

speaking of the debate, did you see this part? (my points in bold)

COTW:
First off, Matthew doesn't give a count of how many men were resurrected from their graves in his account. lol, come on COTW, that can't truly be the way you convince yourself of this.. So it isn't as if there was a Resident Evil or The Walking Dead thing going on...Matthew said "many holy people who had died came to life"...but how many is many? 5? 7? We just don't know. Doesn't matter how you wave your hands in front of your eyes, and try to do a twister impression to reword what the bible clearly says...it could have been ONE corpse walking about and that would have been noteworthy enough to have caused a reaction.. Second, Matthew's account doesn't tell us who these people were. Suppose they were people that lived hundreds of years earlier...do you think anyone would have recognized resurrected men that they never met while they were living? No. I can't stop laughing about this assertion..really? did you reread this? What the fuck does it matter if it is a "fresh" corpse or a skeletonized zombie? If they could recognize the corpse or not? it was a fucking WALKING CORPSE Third, the narrative states that the men was resurrected and went into the city of Jerusalem (holy city)...Jerusalem was a predominantly Jewish population so it should come as to no surprise that there are no non-Jewish sources since it occurred in a Jewish city to Jewish people. There are no sources PERIOD to establish this zombie invasion at the time with the single exception of the laughable fictional gospels. Think about that. You can't point to one scripture and say that is fact, and wave aside all of the plethora of inconvenient obvious fictional ones under the guise of parables and say, oh, that was just an allegory written to create a message....no...if you remove all of the parables, allegorical writings, interpolations and pseudepigrapha from the bible, not much would be left...

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