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18-06-2016, 07:50 AM (This post was last modified: 18-06-2016 08:04 AM by goodwithoutgod.)
“Dr” Kent Hovind is a fraud
"Dr" Kent Hovind is a fraud.

“Dr” Kent Hovind is a fraud. He isn't even recognized as having a doctorates. His bachelors, Masters, and doctorate degrees in Christian education were achieved through correspondence courses from unaccredited colleges. It is impossible to refute evolution, as it is predictable, observable, and falsifiable. To refute evolution is to refute gravity. He has no technical training in paleontology and his lack of academic education in the field, and inability to understand basic scientific facts makes it impossible for actual experts to debate him. He is a Young Earth Creationist (YEC), which means he believes that the Bible is a literal truth as written and that the earth is between 6,000 and 10,000 years old. That fact alone should make you completely dismiss anything he says. He is just another pseudo-scientist like Ken Ham (founder of the answersingenesis website). Although, even Ken Ham discredits this guy....crazy calling crazy; crazy.

Karen Bartelt, a respected organic chemistry professor who debated Kent once, examined his dissertation and found it to be incomplete, lacks references, shows flawed reasoning, contains numerous spelling errors, and states that it does not present any original research. Kent established Creation Science Evangelism, which seeks to evangelize and teach creationism to those gullible enough to accept it. Kent created the Dinosaur Adventure Land, which featured laughable depictions of humans coexisting with dinosaurs 4,000 years ago, which has since been shut down by county officials as a consumer and tax fraud based business. He is also one of the nut cases that belongs to the Unregistered Baptist Fellowship, which is a group of approximately 100 churches that preach a theology of Christian resistance to government. They reject the government’s right to tax since they serve the mythical Christian God. In 2007 Kent was convicted of 58 felony counts and sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Kent Hovind’s “theory” states the following laughable concepts: humans and dinosaurs coexisted, Tyrannosaurus Rex was a vegetarian, all the animals fit in the ark because they were babies, an ice meteor impacted the Earth 6000 years ago and the north and south poles drew fragments of the meteor because of their magnetic field, which caused the extinction level snowfall, and the weight of the ice cracked the Earth's crust which released the fountains of the deep which caused the global flood of the Bible. All the animals died and became oil, coal, and fossils within a few months. The Grand Canyon was formed in a couple of weeks because of the erosion caused by the floodwaters receding into the earth. Need I say more? To believe this raving lunatic's ridiculous version of historical events shows an epic level of ignorance, gullibility, and inability to comprehend basic facts.

His “success” in debates are all about picking your audience, and providing an emotion-based show. Just like the debate between Bill Nye and Ken Ham. Bill Nye would make a solid, evidence-based statement, and Ken would respond with, “all the answers you are seeking are in this little book” while holding up the Bible… And the audience would laugh and applaud. The same goes for Kent. He would pack a building full of predominantly Young Earth Creationists, and the debate would be him making grandiose emotional statements in response to whatever his opponent stated. The scientists would be making very dry, evidence heavy statements, and then Kent would make some stupid remark like, “show me proof that a whale grew legs and became a mammal!” And everyone in the audience would laugh and applaud.

Kent’s famous $250,000 offer to anyone who could give empirical evidence for evolution was also a gimmick. The disclaimer in small print for proving evolution required evidence be presented to prove that time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves, planets and stars formed from space dust, matter created life by itself, early life forms learned to reproduce themselves, and major changes occurred between these diverse lifeforms. These are ridiculous and impossible requirements. A counter offer hit the web offering $250,000 to anyone who could prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster was not the father of Jesus. I could go on and on about the emptiness, lunacy, and ignorance which is the basis of Kent Hovind’s theories, but it would be such a waste of time, thought, and effort. How anyone can purport to believe his theories is beyond me.

References used:

Barbara, Forrest (September 1, 1999). "Unmasking the False Prophet of Creationism". National Center for Science Education.

Kauffman, Christina (March 13, 2006). "Creationist speaker 'loose about the facts'". York Dispatch.

Bartelt, Karen E. (2004). "The Dissertation Kent Hovind Doesn't Want You to Read: A Review of Kent Hovind's Thesis". No Answers in Genesis.

"Order in United States of America v. Kent and Jo Hovind". United States District Court. June 27, 2009.

"Biblical theme park's finances investigated". Saint Petersburg Times. Associated Press. April 18, 2004.

"Seizure of Indianapolis Baptist Temple Ends Standoff, But ‘Unregistered’ Church Movement Continues". Southern Poverty Law Center. May 8, 2001.

Martinez, Greg (November 2004). "Stupid Dino Tricks: A Visit to Kent Hovind’s Dinosaur Adventure Land". Skeptical Inquirer.

"Dinosaur Adventure Land to be seized?". National Center for Science Education. July 31, 2009

Matson, Dave (December 10, 2002). "How Good Are Those Young-Earth Arguments: A Look at Hovind's arguments". Talk.Origins.

Weaver, Robert T.; Norris, Shirley (1999). "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution, Based on the fact filled, and exciting seminars of Dr. Kent Hovind, Chapter 4: Evolution, the Foundation For Communism, Nazism and Socialism (part 5)". DrDino.com. Creation Science Evangelism.

"Belief is so often the death of reason" - Qyburn, Game of Thrones

"The Christian community continues to exist because the conclusions of the critical study of the Bible are largely withheld from them." -Hans Conzelmann (1915-1989)
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06-06-2018, 06:30 AM
Bigfoot analogy
So since I spend the majority of my social media time on Instagram (ingym4life) these days, I dabble a bit here and there outside of food (omnomnom), gym (duh), and car pics (bought a 2016 Audi S8, 605 HP twin turbo V8, 0-60 mph in 3.3 seconds...yes Flex ) to backhand a theist or three. This morning between sets I took a few seconds to reply to this hubris apologetics dweeb whose username is apologetics_ Rolleyes

Anyway, some of you may like the simplicity of my reply.

Apologetics_: @ingym4life Because solipsism has never been adequately refuted, it's impossible to know anything for certain except one's own existence and one's own conscious thoughts. Everything else is based on probability. However, even the existence of the external universe isn't able to be analyzed with probability because one cannot "test" its likelihood for existing. The logical thing to do is assume it exists, since there's no escaping the fact that it constantly "seems" to exist. There would be no point in living life believing that nothing outside your mind is real. If it's rational to assume that the natural universe exists because it "seems" to exist, then it would likewise be rational to assume the spiritual universe exists if it "seems' to exist. Considering the high number of people who claim to have experience spiritual phenomena, I would say it does "seem" to exist. Is it possible that it doesn't exist? Certainly. Is someone epistemically justified in believing that it exists? Of course.

Ingym4life: @apologetics_ It is not logical, reasonable, or rational to believe that something without evidence exists purely because it might. Again, Argumentum ad populum is not the litmus test for truth or validity. Everyone once believed the world was flat too. One of my fav anaologies I use; Bigfoot.

Every major culture has a Bigfoot in it. There are books, videos of blurry images running through the forest, thousands of eye-witnesses who will swear they smelled, saw, or heard Bigfoot. All subjective as objectively there is zero credible evidence for Bigfoot.

Person A, a Bigfoot believer, spends years in the forest and one day sees and hears something large and dark moving through the forest....holy shit I knew it! Person B, a non-believer, lives in the forest and one day sees and hears the same phenomenon...shrugs and thinks; bear. Person C thinks it would be cool if Bigfoot existed but doesn't believe he does. Slips in the forest and hits his head, as he struggles to his feet he sees and hears a similar phenomenon......oh shit, maybe he DOES exist. Objectively, since there is no empirical or tangible evidence for Bigfoot, A and C's "personal experience" was self derived.

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29-07-2018, 09:34 AM (This post was last modified: 29-07-2018 09:37 AM by goodwithoutgod.)
Interpolations
As we all know, the bible is riddled with Pseudepigrapha, parables, allegorical stories, and interpolations. Of course it also contains a large amount of Fiction, fabrication, and fantasy. Facepalm

I will quickly cover the definitions for those who may be unfamiliar:

Pseudepigrapha: Spurious or pseudonymous writings, especially Jewish writings ascribed to various biblical patriarchs and prophets but composed within approximately 200 years of the birth of Jesus Christ.

Parable: A simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels (allegedly since he was illiterate, never wrote down a word, and no one who ever wrote of jesus knew him, so all claims of his teachings are based on re-tellings passed down through time).

Allegorical stories: An allegory is an extended metaphor; the elements of the story— characters, setting, objects, plot points—mean something beyond the literal. They can be interpreted to represent something else.

Interpolation: the art of adding words, phrases, or, entire sentences (depending on punctuation) to the Bible. It is something that has been added later by a different person that was not in the oldest copy of the text.

There are also verses of the New Testament that existed in older versions of the Bible (primarily the King James Version), that did not appear or were relegated to footnotes in later versions, such as the New International Version (NIV). Scholars generally regarded these verses as later additions to the original text.

So lets look at some interpolations. For ease of discussion I will use King James Version of the bible as the list of newer interpolations within the NIV is not really hard to identify through compare and contrast techniques.

First I must point out my absolute favorite interpolation which is Mark 16:9-20 as it is a foundational scripture for Pentecostals, of which my mother is a minister...and its a freaking interpolation Facepalm

Mark 16:9-20 King James Version (KJV)
9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.

11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.


That is right folks, all of that resurrection, and snake dancing nonsense is based upon a fabrication added many years later Rolleyes

Okay lets cover a few:

Matthew

16:2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?


6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

How many billions of believers have recited this absolute nonsense?

16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

How many believers fast thinking god requires it? Rolleyes

25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Yes, watch, wait with bated breath, for he shall come again ShockingFacepalm

27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost

All those delusional dipshits knocking on your door asking you to come to church, handing out pamphlets at the shopping mall? BS.

Mark

7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Yes, give away your things, come with the good lawd jeebus and you will be rich in heaven. Shocking how someone could be so stupid as to believe such nonsense. Yes brother and sister, pass the plate, giveth up your money so we can "give" it to the needy.

10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

More resurrection nonsense written a couple hundred years after the alleged events.

15:28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

and of course, as previously mentioned, the biggest one:

Mark 16:9-20.

Luke

2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Another popular phrase coined by the believers that wasn't even part of the original book

9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.


11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Another popular phrase coined by the believers that wasn't even part of the original book. How many have uttered these pathetic words over the last 2,000 years? lol

11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

Yup, and there is a other popular made up addition

22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Ah the atonement, drinketh of my blood and taste heaven Evil_monster

22:43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.


23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

And yet another popular statement repeated ad nauseum throughout time, and also an addition stuck in the later copies many many years later

24:12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.

John

1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

7:53 And every man went unto his own house.

8:1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

8:2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.


A very popular story told in every church to every member, and taught through plays and at sunday school...all nonsense added later.

1 John

5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


This is where the trinity is mentioned.....an interpolation...uhoh. There goes the "the bible says...

Acts

8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

1 Corinthians

14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


That whole, keep your mouth shut woman and don't question your husband's will or speak in church? An interpolation....

It amuses me to no avail how people have blindly spouted, taught their children, and repeated these scriptures through time...and they were not in the original copies...added a couple of hundred years later by some church figure like Bishop Augustine (354 - 430 CE) who thought it should be in there.

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"The Christian community continues to exist because the conclusions of the critical study of the Bible are largely withheld from them." -Hans Conzelmann (1915-1989)
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