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17-07-2011, 07:35 PM
Gay Marriage
Here In Australia we have a woman prime minister who is an atheist.
The guy she lives with is known as Australia's first bloke. She is also an atheist who opposes gay marriage.Now I think this is a topic that can initiate some spicey debate.
As far as most equal legal rights I do not have any problem but find naming rights and child rearing rights not so easy to condone. As for naming rights I do not feel that husband and wife is appropriate;I am sure that someone can come up with some better titles if such are required.
In regard to child rearing the issue becomes very convoluted. Should bi sexual couples rear children? And, what of transgender, transvestite and the many possibilities that relationships can present us with? What of menage a trois parenting or menage a quatre or more------multiple orgies and kid rearing.
Does perhaps the issue of sex change operations need attention and what about shemales in porn movies.
Before someone gets in, I am not critical of a persons sexual orientation; non of us are 1oo% anything, even your Arnold Schwarzenegger.
There is also the question of gay couples utilizing surrogates, sperm donation etc.
The whole issue is far from unclear so lets debate it.
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17-07-2011, 08:54 PM
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Generally children's rights should have to do with the people who raised them along with any biological parents. A non biological active guardian in a gay relationship (as in the partner) should have rights above the parents who are not as active. Husband and wife seems ok, most are happy to just use those terms I don't see much need to change it.

Trans issues are a lot more complicated. Order of importance in a divorce which is commonly the case for trans parents is the woman, the man, the one who doesn't fit. Obviously this is a gross misconduct just like it is for father's rights. The trans community is pretty much screwed everywhere though. Yes I know trans-men who lose their kids to their ex husbands due to being trans.

Another huge issue is when the child is trans, as often an ex can cause issues attempting to stop things. I've ran into a lot of kid cases where a young child is going through trans issues and one parent is accepting (usually the mother), and all the sudden the ex appears out of the woodwork to stop this abomination. In my opinion the child custody issue should go parent/partner type guardian over family. If my wife (this is theoretical) dies leaving her child that i was raising with her that child should not be sent to some distant relative when I'm right there in the home.

Group rights are tough, and a child can actually have multiple fathers. Generally though for legal reasons they tend to stick to two legal parents in these cases. It's very hard to pass any legal stuff regarding larger numbers of partners.

And as far as sperm donors I believe they sign a waiver that states that they forfeit their parental rights. They are paid after all.

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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18-07-2011, 06:10 PM
RE: Gay Marriage
(17-07-2011 08:54 PM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  Generally children's rights should have to do with the people who raised them along with any biological parents. A non biological active guardian in a gay relationship (as in the partner) should have rights above the parents who are not as active. Husband and wife seems ok, most are happy to just use those terms I don't see much need to change it.

Trans issues are a lot more complicated. Order of importance in a divorce which is commonly the case for trans parents is the woman, the man, the one who doesn't fit. Obviously this is a gross misconduct just like it is for father's rights. The trans community is pretty much screwed everywhere though. Yes I know trans-men who lose their kids to their ex husbands due to being trans.

Another huge issue is when the child is trans, as often an ex can cause issues attempting to stop things. I've ran into a lot of kid cases where a young child is going through trans issues and one parent is accepting (usually the mother), and all the sudden the ex appears out of the woodwork to stop this abomination. In my opinion the child custody issue should go parent/partner type guardian over family. If my wife (this is theoretical) dies leaving her child that i was raising with her that child should not be sent to some distant relative when I'm right there in the home.

Group rights are tough, and a child can actually have multiple fathers. Generally though for legal reasons they tend to stick to two legal parents in these cases. It's very hard to pass any legal stuff regarding larger numbers of partners.

And as far as sperm donors I believe they sign a waiver that states that they forfeit their parental rights. They are paid after all.

Hi Lilith.
As you indicate the trans community is pretty screwed up in some ways.
Long ago I knew a guy, passive party going drag queen, with partner female (I think)and a couple of kids. The kids woud say things like "wheres daddy's handbag".
This sort of stuck in my brain.
Hererosexuality of course does not guarantee that kids must will have the best of chances, but the complexity of unusual sexual liasing and child rearing does seem a highly contentious issue
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18-07-2011, 07:57 PM (This post was last modified: 18-07-2011 08:32 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Gay Marriage
(17-07-2011 07:35 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  The whole issue is far from unclear so lets debate it.

Well, if it was far from unclear then there'd be no reason to debate it. Wink

My position is that if you're not trying to stick your dick into me, my wife, my children, my pets or anything that might enter my food chain (livestock/produce), then why should I give a shit. Fuck and marry any consenting adult animal, vegetable, or mineral you want. Ain't none of my business.

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Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
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18-07-2011, 08:51 PM
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What if having someone fuck the chicken before cutting it's head off makes the meat taste better Girly?

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18-07-2011, 10:00 PM (This post was last modified: 18-07-2011 10:08 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Gay Marriage
(18-07-2011 08:51 PM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  What if having someone fuck the chicken before cutting it's head off makes the meat taste better Girly?

Nice. Now that's a culinary experience I've always tried to avoid before now. .... Let's make sure we don't miss Lilith's point.

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19-07-2011, 12:18 AM
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To be honest I think that good parents are good parents, no matter what the set up. Back in 'the day' they used to think children with single parents or blended families will end up not being well adjusted adults, this of course, was proven false.

I think there is too much variables to decide what whether or children will grow up to be good adults or if their upbringing is 'healthy'.

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19-07-2011, 04:35 AM
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Most children I've met within the LGBT community have been very well behaved. Usually a parent who feels a bit alienated from society makes sure to explain themselves with their kid better. I've yet to meet militant children either =p (ones who hate the gender not present in their parents). I wasn't talking about the actual child raising but how custody laws work currently. Until being a parent gives you status it will continue to be stupid, as they act like living together for 8 years isn't enough reason that when your partner died the kid stays with you. Obviously when the family takes custody of the kid the other parent can't even see them as in these cases it's a family who is opposed to the lifestyle their child led which means they are opposed to the surviving partner.

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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19-07-2011, 09:03 AM
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I think you should be able to adopt children if you are an adult capable of financially and emotionally supporting a child- end of story. No matter what your sex(es) or sexuality, a child should never be deprived of a loving parent. I think that if you get married (civil union-ed) to someone who has children you should be able to become an official parent, especially if one of the birth parents is dead/not a guardian.

It's sad that there is so many unwanted children in this world that could have a loving home, but the religious right and the ignorant are doing everything in their power to stop it.

There has been no conclusive results that an 'alternate' lifestyle leads to unhappy or maladjusted children. No person should have the power to say who and who cannot be a parent if there is no harm to the child.

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19-07-2011, 04:38 PM
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