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26-10-2014, 09:31 PM
Gentlemen and Whores.
Prostitution is said to be the oldest profession in the world.
Indeed way back over 2000 years ago Jesus is said to have saved the hooker Mary Magdeline from being stoned to death. Even in those days femmes fatale were being given a pretty rough time.
Today prostitution is legal in some parts of the world, including Australia where it operates side by side with illegal street sex. Legal prostitution, or the sex trade, provides tax and is given something of a veneer of respectability. Factors such as a monthly medical check ups for the girls, safety in numbers, women's rights to choose their employment, even help in keeping some marriages together, and the needs of desperate men are seen as even worthy to some degree.
As for the "gentlemen", if they pay perhaps they won 't rape, lust and love may be held as synonymous by some, it's only a bit of fun, helping the economy, is good exercise, along with other justifications may be offered up to condone this ever burgeoning industry.
While medical checks for all the sexually transmitted illnesses, including AIDs may be helped somewhat by compulsory testing, the incubation of such diseases vary and may well be missed in the window period. Condoms when used help, but can break, the crab louse can be picked up from bedding, and other sexual activities such as oral sex, which can often be bought for a bit extra, can be as dangerous as intercourse. A woman's choice to work in the sex industry may not be as clear cut as it seems if education, training, child rearing costs etc are pretty remote. Sexual slavery is the worst extreme in this scenario. Then of course there is the violence that may occur where demands, such as condom less sex, are made and the punter refused.Research indicates that some street workers have been bashed comatose.
Not a pretty picture, particularly here in Australia where family violence is very much on the increase. Massage parlours too, are sometimes run by entrepreneurs who deal in drugs and protection, besides.
As for the 'gentlemen'.....well they may claim their wives are frigid or lacking in understanding, express their virility (often via viagra) and satiate their ego and lust in private. What goes on behind closed doors may seem innocent enough, but what of infecting spouses and partners? What of money burned that should be educating the kids. What of keeping women trapped in a hazy and dangerous world? What of the money spent on curing STIs?... that which would help the nations total health bill.
Human righst sometimes are given precedence over other more humane and pressing rights, and our attitudes to a burgeoning prostitution may distort our perceptions and betterment of society as a whole.We can pay passive lip service to such, or look rather harder to the possible ramifications.
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26-10-2014, 10:02 PM
RE: Gentlemen and Whores.
Mary of Magdala wasn't a hooker. The early church Faaathers were intimidated by her and the growing power of women in the church, so they conflated her with the other real hooker in the gospels, in an early PR smear campaign. It seems to have worked.

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26-10-2014, 10:10 PM
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Mary of Magdala wasn't a hooker. The early church Faaathers were intimidated by her and the growing power of women in the church, so they conflated her with the other real hooker in the gospels, in an early PR smear campaign. It seems to have worked.
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Fair enough; I don't think that alters the more general thrust of my comments......
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26-10-2014, 10:22 PM
RE: Gentlemen and Whores.
I can't tell whether your general bent is approval or disapproval but since whoring infests every activity man engages, not just sex, we'd best make peace with a practice as intrinsic to our nature as breathing. We could start by removing the taint of debasement from the word "whore". I defy any human being to point to a life lived without having acted as a prostitute at some time to some degree. It's simply subordinating personal values to pragmatics. I don't think it's even possible to survive within a society without having to do that sometimes, perhaps even most of the time.

What leads to trouble is seeing someone doing something against OUR values without considering that our values and the other person's values are not the same, and that from their standpoint they haven't compromised anything.

Being atheist, for example, is probably regarded by many of the devout as a more severe transgression than selling sex, a prostitution of life itself with satan as pimp. We atheists recognize we haven't compromised any principles, but good luck persuading a believer that we haven't. Meanwhile we bow our heads at grace said at the dinner table because the ruckus if we didn't just ain't worth the angst.

Whoring may be an unpleasant necessity, but let's stop making it a dirty word.
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26-10-2014, 10:33 PM
RE: Gentlemen and Whores.
(26-10-2014 10:22 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  I can't tell whether your general bent is approval or disapproval but since whoring infests every activity man engages, not just sex, we'd best make peace with a practice as intrinsic to our nature as breathing. We could start by removing the taint of debasement from the word "whore". I defy any human being to point to a life lived without having acted as a prostitute at some time to some degree. It's simply subordinating personal values to pragmatics. I don't think it's even possible to survive within a society without having to do that sometimes, perhaps even most of the time.

What leads to trouble is seeing someone doing something against OUR values without considering that our values and the other person's values are not the same, and that from their standpoint they haven't compromised anything.

Being atheist, for example, is probably regarded by many of the devout as a more severe transgression than selling sex, a prostitution of life itself with satan as pimp. We atheists recognize we haven't compromised any principles, but good luck persuading a believer that we haven't. Meanwhile we bow our heads at grace said at the dinner table because the ruckus if we didn't just ain't worth the angst.

Whoring may be an unpleasant necessity, but let's stop making it a dirty word.

I am writing specifically about sex and prostitution, not the woes of mankind.
If people see atheism as as a sin per se they really need to break all relevant issues down a bit.
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28-10-2014, 11:18 AM
RE: Gentlemen and Whores.
From what I can see, you're trying to do a cost/benefit analysis of legal prostitution. You point out that there are good aspects as well as bad ones. But nothing stated is overwhelmingly on either side. Compare the sex trade with cars. They both have their positives and negatives. Considering some sort of 'clean' car that doesn't poison the entire planet with every use is about useful as positing tests that reveal STIs the day you get them. We don't live in that world yet, and may never live there. In both cases, car and prostitues, I figure the negative and positives are pretty equal, and as such I cannot see a reason to ban them.
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28-10-2014, 04:35 PM
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(28-10-2014 11:18 AM)OddGamer Wrote:  From what I can see, you're trying to do a cost/benefit analysis of legal prostitution. You point out that there are good aspects as well as bad ones. But nothing stated is overwhelmingly on either side. Compare the sex trade with cars. They both have their positives and negatives. Considering some sort of 'clean' car that doesn't poison the entire planet with every use is about useful as positing tests that reveal STIs the day you get them. We don't live in that world yet, and may never live there. In both cases, car and prostitues, I figure the negative and positives are pretty equal, and as such I cannot see a reason to ban them.

It may have been more beneficial to have considered the one issue per se.
You could if you like relate to the issue of vehicle dangers as opposed to any
dangers inherent in prostitution in a new post, or deal with them both separately....
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28-10-2014, 05:07 PM
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Is there a question in here somewhere? I like the post...dont get me wrong... Just not sure how to comment. Your post seems more narrative i guess.

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28-10-2014, 05:17 PM
RE: Gentlemen and Whores.
How about changing the thread title to "Scumbags and Ladies of the Night"?

Or "Johns and Sex Workers"? Or "Views on Prostitution"?

Or something less unequally referential?

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28-10-2014, 05:30 PM
RE: Gentlemen and Whores.
(28-10-2014 05:17 PM)Chas Wrote:  How about changing the thread title to "Scumbags and Ladies of the Night"?

Or "Johns and Sex Workers"? Or "Views on Prostitution"?

Or something less unequally referential?

The word "whore" in the title is in no way meant to be condemnatory.
Note I have placed gentlemen in quotation marks.
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