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25-12-2016, 03:10 PM
RE: Germany to establish a Ministry of Truth
Conschpicary Theorisch in a non-conschpicary theory thread? You know what time it isch!



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25-12-2016, 06:27 PM
RE: Germany to establish a Ministry of Truth
I wonder if we could get TTA banned in Germany if we posted enough fake stories to the forum?
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25-12-2016, 10:20 PM
RE: Germany to establish a Ministry of Truth
Laugh out load That'd take care of theBorg!
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01-01-2017, 06:50 AM
RE: Germany to establish a Ministry of Truth
(24-12-2016 02:16 PM)Deesse23 Wrote:  So that you know article 5: What makes you think that an according law for censorship will be passed? What makes you think that the opposition will not call the supreme court? What makes you think the supreme court will not skip said law?
There are countless laws in place that violate the fifth article of our constitution, mate. The sort of freedom of speech we have in Germany is a mockery of the concept. I envy the Americans their first amendment and the ferocity with which it is defended.

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01-01-2017, 08:17 AM
RE: Germany to establish a Ministry of Truth
(01-01-2017 06:50 AM)Vosur Wrote:  There are countless laws in place that violate the fifth article of our constitution, mate.

Name a few please.

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01-01-2017, 09:16 AM
RE: Germany to establish a Ministry of Truth
(01-01-2017 08:17 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Name a few please.
Strafgesetzbuch section 86, 86a, 130 and 189, to start with.

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01-01-2017, 10:21 AM
RE: Germany to establish a Ministry of Truth
(01-01-2017 09:16 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(01-01-2017 08:17 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Name a few please.
Strafgesetzbuch section 86, 86a, 130 and 189, to start with.

86, 86a and 130 are kind of no brainers. Do we really need to hear the Nazi out. Laws are pretty much targetting them (and Islamists and maybe some other fundamentalist groups) without naming them. Don't we already know what they want to say and know what they want to achieve and have collectively judged that it was monstruous and shitty. As for article 189, most country including some state in the USA, have a simillar one, but it's very rarely applied. There are many laws on which aren't applied with much consistency. It's a good thing that freedom of speech has some limitation. Words are actions and have powers they should be wielded with some judgement. The question is how much do we limit it and in what fashion.

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01-01-2017, 11:18 AM
RE: Germany to establish a Ministry of Truth
(01-01-2017 10:21 AM)epronovost Wrote:  It's a good thing that freedom of speech has some limitation.

Actually it's one of the worst things a governing body can do. And if there's any limits on free speech, it by definition ceases to be free speech.
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01-01-2017, 11:58 AM
RE: Germany to establish a Ministry of Truth
(01-01-2017 10:21 AM)epronovost Wrote:  
(01-01-2017 09:16 AM)Vosur Wrote:  Strafgesetzbuch section 86, 86a, 130 and 189, to start with.

86, 86a and 130 are kind of no brainers. Do we really need to hear the Nazi out. Laws are pretty much targetting them (and Islamists and maybe some other fundamentalist groups) without naming them. Don't we already know what they want to say and know what they want to achieve and have collectively judged that it was monstruous and shitty. As for article 189, most country including some state in the USA, have a simillar one, but it's very rarely applied. There are many laws on which aren't applied with much consistency. It's a good thing that freedom of speech has some limitation. Words are actions and have powers they should be wielded with some judgement. The question is how much do we limit it and in what fashion.

The concept of free speech breaks down if it only extends to popular speech. It is unpopular speech that needs such protection most.

Odious speech is best treated by refutation, not suppression, I think.
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01-01-2017, 12:08 PM
RE: Germany to establish a Ministry of Truth
(01-01-2017 10:21 AM)epronovost Wrote:  86, 86a and 130 are kind of no brainers. Do we really need to hear the Nazi out. Laws are pretty much targetting them (and Islamists and maybe some other fundamentalist groups) without naming them. Don't we already know what they want to say and know what they want to achieve and have collectively judged that it was monstruous and shitty. As for article 189, most country including some state in the USA, have a simillar one, but it's very rarely applied. There are many laws on which aren't applied with much consistency. It's a good thing that freedom of speech has some limitation. Words are actions and have powers they should be wielded with some judgement. The question is how much do we limit it and in what fashion.
The absence of these laws wouldn't force you to "hear them out", it would simply allow these people to voice their views without fearing fines and/or imprisonment. Come to think of it, jailing people for voicing their political views is a pretty totalitarian and fascist thing to do. The whole point of freedom of speech is to allow people who don't agree with what everyone else thinks to make their views public.

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