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28-08-2015, 10:22 PM
RE: Get out of my country
(28-08-2015 09:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(28-08-2015 09:43 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Alla, you did not even know about The Great Depression. You are too ignorant and should just go away. What is the point of debating such an ignorant person??? Anyone who does is wasting their time.
Seriously, go join the Dumb ass forum or something.
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29-08-2015, 12:24 AM
RE: Get out of my country
(28-08-2015 04:37 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  And Republican "trickle-down" economics serves only the wealthy at the expense of the poor, and makes sure our PEOPLE are in debt, that people go broke even after a lifetime of hard work because a family member gets sick. I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't be happy about that. We are massively transferring the wealth from the bottom and middle to the top, right now, under GOP policies, which the Democrats aren't even close to "socialist" enough to stop in any meaningful way.

The lives of the poor have only gotten better. Poor people today have larger homes, more appliances, work less, have better health care, than middle class people of the 70s. There lives are improving faster than the rich.









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29-08-2015, 12:47 AM
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(28-08-2015 09:34 PM)Alla Wrote:  I have heard this argument. But under Obamacare not shitty coverage supposed to cost less. People were more happy with their affordable shitty coverage than with Obama's more expensive not shitty coverage.
Please tell me is this true or false:

1)under Obama people who lost their coverage have to pay more for new better coverage?

Typically, no. That's actually one of the things that was found by the investigations. In one circumstance, yes, when people were paying money for policies that basically would not cover anything when they needed it, giving an illusion of coverage, but not real coverage, a practice prohibited by the ACA which made these policies illegal to sell. When groups other than Fox looked into it, they found that typically, the new (better) policies cost the same or less than the bogus illusionary policies they were replacing. In fact, several of the people who were put on Fox News as "I lost my healthcare" examples turned out to be false claims.

(28-08-2015 09:34 PM)Alla Wrote:  2)did people who were happy with their coverage knew that they will loose it and will be FORCED to have better but more expensive coverage?

People can be "happy with their coverage" because they are not aware they don't really have effective coverage, and have not yet had to use it. I linked it above, but I'll link it again because you need to understand some basic facts about what happened under Obamacare and why those plans were outlawed.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013...-insurance

(28-08-2015 09:34 PM)Alla Wrote:  3)did some people lost their doctors?

Almost no one lost their doctor, none that I am aware of outside of the Fox "fabrication factory". When people lost plans with poor coverage, they got a better plan that still included their original doctor(s).

Again, this is linked at the top of my reply, but it applies to this point so I'm re-linking it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/24...o-Fox-News


(28-08-2015 09:34 PM)Alla Wrote:  4)if yes, were they told by Obama that this will happen to them?

No, they were not. Yes, this is misleading. The FactCheck.org website calls out President Obama for being misleading about it. But as political lies go, that's about as mild as it gets. Seriously.

What I cannot understand is why conservatives got their panties in such a wad over this, other than "they were told to by party leaders who serve the insurance companies that paid millions into their campaigns". There was no physical way you could have placed any restrictions on the insurance companies without causing some of the policies at the bottom-end to be rendered illegal, and anyone with half a brain could have seen this, even though President Obama got a little carried away with selling it and neglected to mention that some policies would be illegal to sell anymore. The ACA has been very successful, more successful than any government program has a right to be, and people should be focused on that instead of lying to make it look worse than it is. Again, a link I posted above but that needs to be reviewed:

Four New Studies Show That Fox News’ Apocalyptic ACA Predictions Aren’t Coming True
http://ny2point0.com/2015/08/18/four-new...ming-true/

Some people lost policies, yes, but they were BAD policies, and you should not be arguing that they should have "liked" those policies.

Complaining about losing such a policy is like complaining because the Health Department shut down your favorite restaurant. Think about that one for a while.

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29-08-2015, 12:55 AM
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Quote:There lives are improving faster than the rich.

*their

This statement is stupid. The rich peoples lives are peeked because they can afford anything they want. Of course their lives can't get any better it's because their lives literally can't get any better.

When you're poor as shit you have nowhere to go but up, so...

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29-08-2015, 12:59 AM
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(29-08-2015 12:24 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The lives of the poor have only gotten better. Poor people today have larger homes, more appliances, work less, have better health care, than middle class people of the 70s. There lives are improving faster than the rich.









Trickle down economics.......it works bitches.

Both of those videos use highly-selective data and ignore other costs which have skyrocketed for average Americans, including insurance and college, not to mention most of the data he employs compares the mid-70s (a time of severe economic downturn) to the late 90s (a time of significant economic upswing). The cost of a trinket is not even close to the best way to measure wealth or success, and I'm a little astounded that either you don't know the difference, or you think we don't.

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29-08-2015, 01:44 AM
RE: Get out of my country
(29-08-2015 12:59 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(29-08-2015 12:24 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The lives of the poor have only gotten better. Poor people today have larger homes, more appliances, work less, have better health care, than middle class people of the 70s. There lives are improving faster than the rich.









Trickle down economics.......it works bitches.

Both of those videos use highly-selective data and ignore other costs which have skyrocketed for average Americans, including insurance and college, not to mention most of the data he employs compares the mid-70s (a time of severe economic downturn) to the late 90s (a time of significant economic upswing). The cost of a trinket is not even close to the best way to measure wealth or success, and I'm a little astounded that either you don't know the difference, or you think we don't.

Insurance and college have skyrocketed because they have been subsidized heavily by the government.





I think you can take any randomly select bucket of goods from any era and it would turn out you have to work less hours to buy it today. In the 1800's you had to work a lot of hours to buy a razor to shave your face. People went to barber shops. Now they cost just cents and you have to work hardly at all to be able to purchase one.

You can do this yourself. Go to a library and look at ads in newspaper. Average wage rates, etc.
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29-08-2015, 02:18 AM
RE: Get out of my country
(29-08-2015 12:47 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  People can be "happy with their coverage" because they are not aware they don't really have effective coverage, and have not yet had to use it. I linked it above, but I'll link it again because you need to understand some basic facts about what happened under Obamacare and why those plans were outlawed.

People can be happy with their Obamacare coverage too.....until they start to earn more money and climb the ladder. Then they will find it is not nearly as affordable as they thought. Obamacare punishes people for increasing their income by lowering the subsidy(which amounts to effectively increasing their taxes).

Do you have an Obamacare subsidy? Go out to the exchanges and play around with income increases and see how you subsidy changes. At one point 1 additional dollar of income causes the loss of thousands of dollars in government subsidies.
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29-08-2015, 02:32 AM
RE: Get out of my country
(29-08-2015 02:18 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(29-08-2015 12:47 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  People can be "happy with their coverage" because they are not aware they don't really have effective coverage, and have not yet had to use it. I linked it above, but I'll link it again because you need to understand some basic facts about what happened under Obamacare and why those plans were outlawed.

People can be happy with their Obamacare coverage too.....until they start to earn more money and climb the ladder. Then they will find it is not nearly as affordable as they thought. Obamacare punishes people for increasing their income by lowering the subsidy(which amounts to effectively increasing their taxes).

Do you have an Obamacare subsidy? Go out to the exchanges and play around with income increases and see how you subsidy changes. At one point 1 additional dollar of income causes the loss of thousands of dollars in government subsidies.

Oh, for fuck's sake, BlowJob. That is the most addled post hoc thinking I've seen in quite some time.

Without the ACA, those subsidies didn't fucking exist. The price of health insurance for the unsubsidized has not risen by much, if any.

I have been paying for my health insurance for quite some time and there was no increase post-ACA that wasn't consistent with the historical increases.

If you have some real data, put up or shut up. Your unsubstantiated assertions that you refuse to modify in the light of actual evidence are one of the reasons you have earned the rep you currently enjoy.

You are a fucking blight on TTA.

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29-08-2015, 04:04 AM
RE: Get out of my country
(28-08-2015 07:34 AM)Aliza Wrote:  …. But on the flip side, Trump has a real problem with diplomacy. One of the key attributes that we’re looking for in a person to represent our entire country is diplomacy. Trump lacks the emotional capacity to exercise restraint when faced with anyone who disagrees with him. He’s been surrounded by “yes men” for his entire adult life, and we need a president who is receptive to different ideas and can recognize if someone has a better idea than he does.

IF Trump makes it into office, I’m concerned that his personality alone will further strain already tense relationships with certain foreign nations, and also the further complicate the discord in the American political system.

And also, do the Merkins really want another president who is the butt of all our jokes?

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29-08-2015, 04:13 AM
RE: Get out of my country
(28-08-2015 03:56 PM)Alla Wrote:  2)First get rid of debt(first help yourself) then you can help others.

Learn some economics.

There is not enough money in existence to pay off all the debt. This is a result of the modern banking system uses the fractional reserve system and is inherently flawed.

Want to know why? Because money is created when it is lent out but it is expected to be paid back with interest.

So what you are actually saying is, first get richer than all the other countries and put them in debt instead.

And how are you going to do that? By exploiting the poorer countries. That means you can then use immigrants to work in criminal conditions with no rights for very little money who cannot complain because they are illegal.
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