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02-06-2014, 08:26 PM
RE: Getting my CCL tomorrow.
(30-05-2014 03:38 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  My uncle is the number one licenser in the state. He once licensed a blind man because he passed all the required tests.


Did the testing involve marksmanship? If so, what was he a Shaolin priest or something? Otherwise, a blind man with a gun doesn't sound helpful or safe for society.
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02-06-2014, 08:29 PM
RE: Getting my CCL tomorrow.
(02-06-2014 07:41 PM)aurora Wrote:  We Need Better Data for a Serious Gun Control Debate - Topher McDougal and Robert Muggah

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-mug...93524.html

Credible data required!

There is certainly need for some transparency in the debate, however I would ask "what data for what purposes?" The article is not at all clear on that.

However, the need for better identification of those who should not have weapons is still the single most important factor and that requires real mental health care.
And those data are medical records and are not public information.

There is education required all around. For example, that article uses a term that is clearly misunderstood by many, 'assault rifle'. It's difficult to have a discussion unless we can communicate accurately and effectively. So, there is much to be done, but it is not all one-sided.

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02-06-2014, 09:09 PM
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(30-05-2014 07:51 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  My hand began to slide on my 9mm.

Oooo, baby! I like it when you talk dirty. Drooling
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02-06-2014, 09:50 PM
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(02-06-2014 07:43 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(02-06-2014 07:36 PM)Chas Wrote:  With whose money? Consider

But I would say that is so unlikely to work as to be no solution at all.

At a conservative estimate of $500 - $1000 per firearm, that comes out to
between $150,000,000,000 and 3,000,000,000,000.
By comparison, the entire U.S. annual budget for 2013 was $2,770,000,000,000.

And, of course, the majority of gun owners would prefer not to lose all of their guns.

Solution:

Televised shoot-outs.

Benefits:

Raises revenue + reduces the number of loony gun-owners.

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Any time. No need to thank me. Smartass

Good, because it never occurred to me to do so. Drinking Beverage

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03-06-2014, 01:26 AM (This post was last modified: 03-06-2014 01:44 AM by Mathilda.)
RE: Getting my CCL tomorrow.
(02-06-2014 05:48 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(02-06-2014 02:18 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  
  • Have high taxes on gun ownership in the form of an annual license that has to be renewed.
  • Restrict what guns can be allowed to be owned, after why do you need an assault rifle to shoot someone when a 9mm pistol will do?
  • Specific exceptions allowed for a limited range of low powered hunting rifles
  • Specific exceptions allowed for a range of specialist interest guns that cannot be taken off the premises of a registered gun club.
  • Strong punitive measures for being found carrying an unlicensed gun, eventually broadened to even having one in your house
  • Gun drop-ins where people can anonymously give a gun over to the police without being charged and in return they are given food vouchers.

And what effect will those have on criminals? None. Drinking Beverage

Low powered hunting rifles? What are those? The power must be commensurate with the game, otherwise a humane kill cannot be made.

There are already strong, punitive laws for illegal possession of a firearm. The problem is the lack of enforcement.

Quote:It's not that hard. All these measures have proven themselves successful. Any change in culture takes time. The problem with America is there is a strong political lobby in the form of the NRA and corporations have too much influence.

No, the problem is there are already 300,000,000 firearms legally in the hands of civilians. What do you propose be done about that?

Those measures have been proven to work successfully in other countries. As I said, it takes time, many years, decades even, but they will work.

If the problem is bigger then it just takes more time to fix. That is all.

And when I specified a low powered hunting rifle, I meant something commensurate for the job. What do you need to shoot the brains out of a rabbit, raccoon, fox or whatever?
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03-06-2014, 01:37 AM (This post was last modified: 03-06-2014 01:59 AM by Mathilda.)
RE: Getting my CCL tomorrow.
(02-06-2014 07:36 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(02-06-2014 06:05 PM)djkamilo Wrote:  Gun buyback program?

With whose money? Consider

Tax payer's money. That's what it's there for. Sorting it out now will save money in the long run before the problem gets even bigger because it is effectively an arms race.

And if you say that America can't afford it, well it can't afford anything, hence the vastly escalating debt it holds so it might as well use that Monopoly money on something worthwhile which will make for a better society for the current and all future generations.

Or just take it out of the vast military budget. After all, why be ready for waging war in foreign lands which pose no direct threat when there is already a war happening at home?

(02-06-2014 07:36 PM)Chas Wrote:  At a conservative estimate of $500 - $1000 per firearm, that comes out to
between $150,000,000,000 and (EditSmile 3,000,000,000,000 $300,000,000,000.
By comparison, the entire U.S. annual budget for 2013 was $2,770,000,000,000.

And, of course, the majority of gun owners would prefer not to lose all of their guns.

It's not like the money has to be found up-front in one go if it is a program happening over many years or even decades.

One of many gun buyback programs happening in America right now. e.g. Los Angeles

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/0...n-buyback/

"Since its inception in 2009, the program has removed nearly 13,000 guns from LA streets."

If the culture changes and there is less need for having a gun, guns become more expensive to own and they can still go off to a gun club and fire weapons there then I am sure that it will only be a minority of gun owners wanting to keep their guns. It could easily reach a stage where it becomes unfashionable to own a gun, possibly with the next generation.
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03-06-2014, 09:56 AM
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(03-06-2014 01:26 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(02-06-2014 05:48 PM)Chas Wrote:  And what effect will those have on criminals? None. Drinking Beverage

Low powered hunting rifles? What are those? The power must be commensurate with the game, otherwise a humane kill cannot be made.

There are already strong, punitive laws for illegal possession of a firearm. The problem is the lack of enforcement.


No, the problem is there are already 300,000,000 firearms legally in the hands of civilians. What do you propose be done about that?

Those measures have been proven to work successfully in other countries. As I said, it takes time, many years, decades even, but they will work.

If the problem is bigger then it just takes more time to fix. That is all.

You didn't answer the question. What effect would those measures have on criminals?

Quote:And when I specified a low powered hunting rifle, I meant something commensurate for the job. What do you need to shoot the brains out of a rabbit, raccoon, fox or whatever?

Something quite a bit smaller than for deer, bear, moose, elk, etc. Hunters rarely 'shoot the brains out of' the game.

The calibers appropriate for larger game are generally as or more powerful than what works on humans.

You are displaying an ignorance of of firearms and their use that needs to be addressed to be able to discuss effective policies.

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03-06-2014, 06:14 PM
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Random question for consideration - Why don't we see mass shootings at gun shows or NRA conventions?
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03-06-2014, 06:16 PM
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(03-06-2014 06:14 PM)TheBear Wrote:  Random question for consideration - Why don't we see mass shootings at gun shows or NRA conventions?

Cause everyone is armed.?.?

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03-06-2014, 06:27 PM
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(03-06-2014 06:16 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(03-06-2014 06:14 PM)TheBear Wrote:  Random question for consideration - Why don't we see mass shootings at gun shows or NRA conventions?

Cause everyone is armed.?.?

Not really. Most gun shows I've been to require weapons to be unloaded and no carrying of loose ammunition.

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