Getting over the OCD from my Religious Programming
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30-05-2016, 09:01 AM
RE: Getting over the OCD from my Religious Programming
(30-05-2016 08:58 AM)Fireball Wrote:  "Pharmageddon"? "Hail Mary, Hail Satan"- "Catholicism is the Mother of Harlots"? Must be a parody site. Please, say it's a parody site.

Not based on my experience with IFB people. This looks like the real deal to me. No
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30-05-2016, 09:38 AM
RE: Getting over the OCD from my Religious Programming
A meme (/ˈmiːm/ meem)[1] is "an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture". A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate, and respond to selective pressures.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

Christians so often accuse us of being "mean-spirited" when we ridicule such religionists, or when we get angry at the effects their mind-virus has on human beings. And I'm not saying "mind-virus" to be mean; I'm using it in the Dawkins meme sense of the word, a self-propagating idea which, in this case, I call a virus because it destroys the ability of those infected with it to use their rational minds normally. It inflicts a dangerous toll on the emotional state of those who, either from childhood indoctrination or from taking advantage of a moment of emotional weakness, are infected with the idea that they are terrible people deserving of eternal torment for being just-as-they-are, unless they follow the mind-virus's instructions and adopt it wholeheartedly. It's the AIDS virus of critical thinking and emotional stability.

To those who've never been infected, it looks like a parody because they cannot imagine the effects that infection has on the people so impacted... but to those of us who got sick and recovered from it (whose skepticism "immune systems" were strong enough to fight off the infection), it's all too plain that these people are dead serious.

Science can clearly demonstrate what's at the center of the earth, from using sonar technology and reading the way earthquake shockwaves propagate through the center of the sphere. We know the center is a ball of nickel-iron that spins and gives us the magnetosphere that protects us from harmful solar radiation. We know the calculations that show the amount of pressure gravity of a mass this size imparts on the center of the earth. These are not radical ideas, and are accepted by nearly everyone on the planet...

...but for some, so heavily damaged by the infection, they lack the critical thinking abilities to ward off ideas like, "Hell is at the center of the earth, and when the Russians drilled deeper than humans have ever drilled before, they opened up the roof of Hell and heard the screaming of tortured souls." (What, the souls had lungs and pharynxes? They made sound waves? Why lower a microphone at all, and how did it survive to record anything, if the drill bits couldn't even stand the heat and pressure? So many questions!!)

We don't mean to pick on you for the impacts your religious upbringing has had on you, Daniel. Please don't read this that way! Indeed, it's the other way around... I've been where you are, as have many of us, and been through the painful process of forcing yourself to recognize all the ways in which your religious teachers manipulated you in order to keep you believing in their (virus-induced) delusions. We sympathize! It's not an overnight transformation nor an easy road... like many diseases, especially diseases of the mind, it can be a difficult recovery.

I have been a recovering Christoholic for 23 or 18 years (depending on how you count it... it took me about 5 years to completely recover from my upbringing and acknowledge/accept that I don't believe any of that stuff), and looking back on it now, or listening to the claims and views of people still heavily infected, makes me feel nothing but relief that I have recovered. The good news is that, like any disease, once you have fully shaken it off, your immune system recognizes the infection for what it is, and gives you a strong resistance to further infections.

We wish you only the best, and will be glad to talk with you about the crazy claims from your upbringing that continue to nag at you.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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30-05-2016, 10:05 AM
RE: Getting over the OCD from my Religious Programming
(29-05-2016 11:10 PM)Aliza Wrote:  I happen to know a lot of IFB's. I realize you don't know me, but for someone in my situation to have acquaintances with such a high number of IFB's is (shall we say) odd.

What is your current circumstance?

Are you in the church (maybe questioning some things)?
Are you actively trying to leave the church but you're too scared?
Or have you left the church all together?

If you need help deprogramming from this religion cult, I may be in a unique position to assist you (at least to some degree).

I have left the church all together, but there are still things within my mind that I need to have seriously deprogrammed, because some of these thoughts come back whenever I do something the IFB perceived as "sin". A primary example of this is secular psychology. A lot of them seriously condemned it because it was "of the devil".
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30-05-2016, 10:06 AM
RE: Getting over the OCD from my Religious Programming
(30-05-2016 09:01 AM)Aliza Wrote:  
(30-05-2016 08:58 AM)Fireball Wrote:  "Pharmageddon"? "Hail Mary, Hail Satan"- "Catholicism is the Mother of Harlots"? Must be a parody site. Please, say it's a parody site.

Not based on my experience with IFB people. This looks like the real deal to me. No

Oh trust me, http://www.jesus-is-savior.com is by far one of the most toxic websites on the entire internet, probably for more damaging than the BS on pornhub.com
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30-05-2016, 10:37 AM
RE: Getting over the OCD from my Religious Programming
(30-05-2016 10:05 AM)SkepticalDaniel Wrote:  
(29-05-2016 11:10 PM)Aliza Wrote:  I happen to know a lot of IFB's. I realize you don't know me, but for someone in my situation to have acquaintances with such a high number of IFB's is (shall we say) odd.

What is your current circumstance?

Are you in the church (maybe questioning some things)?
Are you actively trying to leave the church but you're too scared?
Or have you left the church all together?

If you need help deprogramming from this religion cult, I may be in a unique position to assist you (at least to some degree).

I have left the church all together, but there are still things within my mind that I need to have seriously deprogrammed, because some of these thoughts come back whenever I do something the IFB perceived as "sin". A primary example of this is secular psychology. A lot of them seriously condemned it because it was "of the devil".

Did you go to Hyles-Anderson?
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30-05-2016, 12:05 PM
RE: Getting over the OCD from my Religious Programming
(30-05-2016 10:06 AM)SkepticalDaniel Wrote:  
(30-05-2016 09:01 AM)Aliza Wrote:  Not based on my experience with IFB people. This looks like the real deal to me. No

Oh trust me, http://www.jesus-is-savior.com is by far one of the most toxic websites on the entire internet, probably for more damaging than the BS on pornhub.com

OK, I've never been to pornhub; in fact this is the first I've ever heard of it. I'll take your word for it. As far as the guilt, you just need some time to get deprogrammed. It took me awhile. I just had to analyze it whenever it came up, so that it ended up meaningless.
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30-05-2016, 12:14 PM
RE: Getting over the OCD from my Religious Programming
I am curious as to your reason for continuing to post the link to that site here on an obviously atheist forum.

It make me wonder if your intent is to drive up the count of people who go to the site.

Bringing it up on each thread feels a little spammy. j/s

See here they are the bruises some were self-inflicted and some showed up along the way. - JF

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30-05-2016, 12:19 PM
RE: Getting over the OCD from my Religious Programming
(30-05-2016 10:37 AM)Aliza Wrote:  
(30-05-2016 10:05 AM)SkepticalDaniel Wrote:  I have left the church all together, but there are still things within my mind that I need to have seriously deprogrammed, because some of these thoughts come back whenever I do something the IFB perceived as "sin". A primary example of this is secular psychology. A lot of them seriously condemned it because it was "of the devil".

Did you go to Hyles-Anderson?

I didn't go to Hyles-Anderson, but I was indoctrinated into the IFB fold via http://www.jesus-is-savior.com. However, I have heard the name Jack Hyles before. In fact, his violent child-rearing methods described in one of his books was one of the pivotal reasons why I began to really think about the "morality" of the Bible.
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30-05-2016, 12:20 PM
RE: Getting over the OCD from my Religious Programming
(30-05-2016 12:14 PM)Anjele Wrote:  I am curious as to your reason for continuing to post the link to that site here on an obviously atheist forum.

It make me wonder if your intent is to drive up the count of people who go to the site.

Bringing it up on each thread feels a little spammy. j/s

I'm sorry if it appears that way. My way of thinking is that it isn't enough to just tell people what I was indoctrinated with, I need to show them. I apologize deeply if it appears like I may be spamming, that is not at all my intent.
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30-05-2016, 12:21 PM
RE: Getting over the OCD from my Religious Programming
There the link again...screaming click on me, click on me.

See here they are the bruises some were self-inflicted and some showed up along the way. - JF

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