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10-04-2013, 10:34 PM
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(10-04-2013 09:58 PM)F.A.C.T. Wrote:  Hi Fox, I didn't assume anyone wanted to kick me off but I did want to clear the air. To address your question, yes, of course the judge option is available, the only thing we do for the members of W.F.A. is we give them full control of what is said and how, that is something a judge cannot do. So it's a matter of convenience for our members and friends, a judge has a "routine" to follow that can only vary slightly.
We can for example, as we did on our last wedding, say as the couple wanted "we witness this union of mind and body under no false gods and no false pretenses, We bring forward this couple who willingly accept each other, not so they can expect an illusion of eternal life, but enjoy the reality of this finite one and make the best of it" (exact words provided by the couple)
A judge might have a problem making those statements, and we've had far less eloquent ones. Another factor is we don't charge our members for the ceremony, the judge charges $250.00, so I guess economy plays a part in it as well.
Hope that answers your question.

Didn't know that. You learn something new everyday. Now the whole thing makes more sense.

Oh and in case you were wondering. I thought faster then I typed. I was going to say that I have no problem with the whole church thing so long as it doesn't become dogmatic. Since you look like you've got your head on your shoulders and your brain between your ears that doesn't seem to be a potential problem. Welcome to our little heathnic corner of the world.

p.s. Tell people in your congregation about us. More Freethinkers are always a good thing.

p.p.s. Names Tyler. I just use the username for the heck of it since it seems cool. Big Grin

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10-04-2013, 10:54 PM
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Sound good, a pleasure Tyler. I'm Manuel or Mannie. I will definitely pass on the site to the members of our group. I won't call them congregation precisely because of the dogmatic issue. We gather once a month under the name Wisconsin Freethinkers Association not the "church" name, that one is just to sign certificates. Thank you for the message, I appreciate your honesty (if we all agreed on everything without questioning anything... we'd be Christians! lol).
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10-04-2013, 11:23 PM
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I don't have the slightest problem with you being recognized by the state as a church. In fact, I'm thinking of starting

F.U.C.T. First United Church of Thinkers

but my wife has been toying with,

C.U.N.T. Church of United Non Theists

she says she really has a taste for that one but if she can only pick one, it has to be,

C.O.C.K. Church Of Confirmed Knowledge


Unsure



But seriously, I would like to see an atheist "church" take up the business of buying commercial real estate and renting it out for philanthropic/science events, et al. Hell, religious churches do it all the time and they have the competitive advantage of paying no taxes, so why shouldn't a secular organization be able to compete with them while at the same time actually doing some good for the world?


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11-04-2013, 06:29 AM
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(10-04-2013 11:23 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  I don't have the slightest problem with you being recognized by the state as a church. In fact, I'm thinking of starting

F.U.C.T. First United Church of Thinkers

but my wife has been toying with,

C.U.N.T. Church of United Non Theists

she says she really has a taste for that one but if she can only pick one, it has to be,

C.O.C.K. Church Of Confirmed Knowledge


Unsure



But seriously, I would like to see an atheist "church" take up the business of buying commercial real estate and renting it out for philanthropic/science events, et al. Hell, religious churches do it all the time and they have the competitive advantage of paying no taxes, so why shouldn't a secular organization be able to compete with them while at the same time actually doing some good for the world?


Oh and, welcome to the nuthouse. Smile

Brilliant! I hereby nominate El Jefe as President, do I hear a second to the motion?

I'd also like to propose the following for your consideration Mr. President:

F.U.C.K. First United Church of Knowledge

T.W.A.T The Way Atheist Temple

Cool

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11-04-2013, 09:03 AM
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(11-04-2013 06:29 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(10-04-2013 11:23 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  I don't have the slightest problem with you being recognized by the state as a church. In fact, I'm thinking of starting

F.U.C.T. First United Church of Thinkers

but my wife has been toying with,

C.U.N.T. Church of United Non Theists

she says she really has a taste for that one but if she can only pick one, it has to be,

C.O.C.K. Church Of Confirmed Knowledge


Unsure



But seriously, I would like to see an atheist "church" take up the business of buying commercial real estate and renting it out for philanthropic/science events, et al. Hell, religious churches do it all the time and they have the competitive advantage of paying no taxes, so why shouldn't a secular organization be able to compete with them while at the same time actually doing some good for the world?


Oh and, welcome to the nuthouse. Smile

Brilliant! I hereby nominate El Jefe as President, do I hear a second to the motion?

I'd also like to propose the following for your consideration Mr. President:

F.U.C.K. First United Church of Knowledge

T.W.A.T The Way Atheist Temple

Cool

I accept. Henceforth ye shall address me as Grand High Prevaricator. Or, Master of Space, Time and Dementia. I'm fine with both, really. GirlyMan shall be the Senior Vice President, as he is president of all vices and, a senior. But most importantly because the VP doesn't actually get to make any important decisions. DLJ shall be Head of Acquisitions, Asian division while Vera will head up Public Relations, owing to her superior oral skills. That's just what I've heard, mind you.

You are hereby appointed CEO, otherwise known as HNIC or, Head Nonbeliever in Charge. You didn't think I would go there, did you? You shall appoint a COO, a CFO, a CTO and any other Os you deem necessary. We will also need a Secretary/treasurer and you should get to work immediately assembling a board. I prefer maple or mohagany but, oak is fine too. Anything but cedar.

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11-04-2013, 09:08 AM
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(11-04-2013 09:03 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 06:29 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  Brilliant! I hereby nominate El Jefe as President, do I hear a second to the motion?

I'd also like to propose the following for your consideration Mr. President:

F.U.C.K. First United Church of Knowledge

T.W.A.T The Way Atheist Temple

Cool

I accept. Henceforth ye shall address me as Grand High Prevaricator. Or, Master of Space, Time and Dementia. I'm fine with both, really. GirlyMan shall be the Senior Vice President, as he is president of all vices and, a senior. But most importantly because the VP doesn't actually get to make any important decisions. DLJ shall be Head of Acquisitions, Asian division while Vera will head up Public Relations, owing to her superior oral skills. That's just what I've heard, mind you.

You are hereby appointed CEO, otherwise known as HNIC or, Head Nonbeliever in Charge. You didn't think I would go there, did you? You shall appoint a COO, a CFO, a CTO and any other Os you deem necessary. We will also need a Secretary/treasurer and you should get to work immediately assembling a board. I prefer maple or mohagany but, oak is fine too. Anything but cedar.

This is so cool! I shall make my appointments forthwith after I return from doing CEOy things...

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11-04-2013, 10:34 AM
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(10-04-2013 10:54 PM)F.A.C.T. Wrote:  Sound good, a pleasure Tyler. I'm Manuel or Mannie. I will definitely pass on the site to the members of our group. I won't call them congregation precisely because of the dogmatic issue. We gather once a month under the name Wisconsin Freethinkers Association not the "church" name, that one is just to sign certificates. Thank you for the message, I appreciate your honesty (if we all agreed on everything without questioning anything... we'd be Christians! lol).
Regards

Damn, now you've got me thinking on church terms. First I call your group a congregation. Next I'll be advocating a tithing system and before you know it I'll be praying to the flying spaghetti monster. Look what you've done Manuel. Look what you've done.Weeping

*wipes tears*
That all aside. It's nice to have a group that doesn't like dogma ( which on a side note, I think dogs are given a bad rap. how about sheepma or something) If there's one thing I know with certainty it's that we need more skepticism and critical thinking skills in this world. Sheepma will only lead us to a sterile world.

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11-04-2013, 11:42 AM
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OK.....
bbeljefe and Full Circle...What the F.U.C.K..... ROTFLMAO! (No pun or organization intended) I'm trying to write but it's hard with my wife running around laughing saying " You should have called it F.U.C.K..." So thanks for that, I am announcing that the name shall be changed in your honor to
D.I.C.K.S. (Dangerous Imagination Created by Knowledge and Science) all in good fun of course...Thumbsup
Tyler, sorry I had that effect! Careful praying to the spaghetti monster I hear Carlin is his accountant, if you miss your tithing Carlin sends Joe Pesci to your house to collect.... Big Grin
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11-04-2013, 12:05 PM
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(11-04-2013 11:42 AM)F.A.C.T. Wrote:  OK.....
bbeljefe and Full Circle...What the F.U.C.K..... ROTFLMAO! (No pun or organization intended) I'm trying to write but it's hard with my wife running around laughing saying " You should have called it F.U.C.K..." So thanks for that, I am announcing that the name shall be changed in your honor to
D.I.C.K.S. (Dangerous Imagination Created by Knowledge and Science) all in good fun of course...Thumbsup
Tyler, sorry I had that effect! Careful praying to the spaghetti monster I hear Carlin is his accountant, if you miss your tithing Carlin sends Joe Pesci to your house to collect.... Big Grin

Well I must say, I'm honored.

And just to clarify, my imagination has its genesis in knowledge, that much is true. But it is knowledge of depravity, not science. But don't despair... the acronym can stay.

Dangerous Imaginations Created by Knowledge of Sin

I'm also going to use my porn name in association with the group. That way, I will be known as D.I.C.K.S.' Harry Long.

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11-04-2013, 12:12 PM
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(11-04-2013 12:05 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 11:42 AM)F.A.C.T. Wrote:  OK.....
bbeljefe and Full Circle...What the F.U.C.K..... ROTFLMAO! (No pun or organization intended) I'm trying to write but it's hard with my wife running around laughing saying " You should have called it F.U.C.K..." So thanks for that, I am announcing that the name shall be changed in your honor to
D.I.C.K.S. (Dangerous Imagination Created by Knowledge and Science) all in good fun of course...Thumbsup
Tyler, sorry I had that effect! Careful praying to the spaghetti monster I hear Carlin is his accountant, if you miss your tithing Carlin sends Joe Pesci to your house to collect.... Big Grin

Well I must say, I'm honored.

And just to clarify, my imagination has its genesis in knowledge, that much is true. But it is knowledge of depravity, not science. But don't despair... the acronym can stay.

Dangerous Imaginations Created by Knowledge of Sin

I'm also going to use my porn name in association with the group. That way, I will be known as D.I.C.K.S.' Harry Long.

Tongue

You have a very good name sir...Thumbsup
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