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07-10-2014, 06:04 PM
RE: Global Government
(07-10-2014 05:30 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  I am not sure how a world government would be practical or useful. The governments that exist today only have a mandate because of their historical precedence, or because of a shared cultural and ethnic identity.

Patently false. There are nations that are recent, there are nations of mixed ethnicity, there are countries comprising multiple languages.

Quote: I don't think the human race is at a place where we can comfortably exist in universal homogeny. If a world government were to arise in our modern setting, it would either lack any real authority (not unlike our current UN), or it would be the product of military conquest and therefore tyrannical. I suppose in an ideal setting one unified authority could provide some advantages. I think the scale of our modern world is such that it becomes rather impossible to effectively govern on such a scale. I personally believe if anything we are going to move towards smaller and more decentralized governments in the future.

Who said anything about homogeneity?

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07-10-2014, 06:05 PM
RE: Global Government
(07-10-2014 03:41 PM)otp Wrote:  Unless you can somehow achieve parity in every part of human existence throughout the world you will always have conflict. Unless you can suppress the levels of intensity of human emotions, you will always have some level of human conflict. World peace is a concept that cannot be achieved with a simplistic idea of a world government.

There is disagreement within every group, tribe, or nation. So what?

Simplistic? You didn't read the previous posts?

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07-10-2014, 06:08 PM
RE: Global Government
(07-10-2014 02:34 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(07-10-2014 02:19 PM)pablo Wrote:  By eliminating nationalism, we would also eliminate the 'us against them' mentality. This could go a long way toward world peace. More mixing of the races between these former nations could also take a big chunk out of racism.

More likely the lack of respect for national integrity would cause a massive global war.

How?

If anything, an over-abundance of nationalism would be the cause of a global war.

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07-10-2014, 06:10 PM
RE: Global Government
(07-10-2014 06:02 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(07-10-2014 05:58 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  It's a stupid idea.

Just look at the Ukraine situation. How would a world government stop that? Russia would still have an army and Ukraine would still have an army. Russia would still desire Ukrainian provinces and Ukraine would still desire to keep its borders intact. A war would still happen except instead of between two countries it would be between two states. You can't just solve an issue by changing its name.

Muslims will still hate Christians, Christians will still hate Muslims. Iran will still hate everyone. North Korea will still be crazy. The USA will still think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Russia will still invade Ukraine. Belgium will still be a pointless country that just sits there and does nothing. Australians will still be a bunch of racist weirdo's. Africa will still get screwed over by their useless governments. NZ will still jump up and down waving the environmental flag despite the fact that we pollute our own rivers and such with dairy farm runoff on an unsustainable dangerous scale.

Nothing will change except a country like China or the US will gain a lot of political power over smaller nations.

There wouldn't be a fucking Russian Army.

Oh, so you just expect Russia or the US or China or, and here's a laugh, North Korea etc.. etc.. to just disband their armies?
They're never going to do that because it would leave them wide open to abuse from someone else with an army, ie: the global government.

Besides, a state doesn't need to form an army to form an army (if that makes sense). ie: Rebel armies.

Chinese citizens can't even get the Chinese government to let them pick their candidates for just their city (Hong Kong) and you expect someone to come along and basically tell the Chinese government a) You have to disband your army and b) We're going to rule over you now.
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07-10-2014, 06:16 PM
RE: Global Government
Why am I having visions of Federation Stormtroopers vs. Global Caliphate Guerrillas?

Consider

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07-10-2014, 06:26 PM
RE: Global Government
(07-10-2014 06:16 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Why am I having visions of Federation Stormtroopers vs. Global Caliphate Guerrillas?

Consider

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07-10-2014, 06:31 PM
RE: Global Government
(07-10-2014 06:10 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(07-10-2014 06:02 PM)Chas Wrote:  There wouldn't be a fucking Russian Army.

Oh, so you just expect Russia or the US or China or, and here's a laugh, North Korea etc.. etc.. to just disband their armies?
They're never going to do that because it would leave them wide open to abuse from someone else with an army, ie: the global government.

Besides, a state doesn't need to form an army to form an army (if that makes sense). ie: Rebel armies.

Chinese citizens can't even get the Chinese government to let them pick their candidates for just their city (Hong Kong) and you expect someone to come along and basically tell the Chinese government a) You have to disband your army and b) We're going to rule over you now.
lolwut?

We're talking about one nation, earth, and why it's desirable.

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07-10-2014, 08:21 PM
RE: Global Government
It's certainly desirable, but Muffs does make a good point in that you'd really have to get every single nation on board with the idea of a global government in order to make it work. It's tough to imagine that some countries would be willing to go along with it.

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07-10-2014, 08:29 PM
RE: Global Government
(07-10-2014 06:31 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(07-10-2014 06:10 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Oh, so you just expect Russia or the US or China or, and here's a laugh, North Korea etc.. etc.. to just disband their armies?
They're never going to do that because it would leave them wide open to abuse from someone else with an army, ie: the global government.

Besides, a state doesn't need to form an army to form an army (if that makes sense). ie: Rebel armies.

Chinese citizens can't even get the Chinese government to let them pick their candidates for just their city (Hong Kong) and you expect someone to come along and basically tell the Chinese government a) You have to disband your army and b) We're going to rule over you now.
lolwut?

We're talking about one nation, earth, and why it's desirable.

And I'm talking about real life.
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07-10-2014, 08:35 PM
RE: Global Government
(07-10-2014 08:21 PM)Colourcraze Wrote:  It's certainly desirable, but Muffs does make a good point in that you'd really have to get every single nation on board with the idea of a global government in order to make it work. It's tough to imagine that some countries would be willing to go along with it.

To be frank, right now it isn't. However, if a lot of countries agreed to basic human rights and enforcing it as such, it wouldn't be as problematic. You don't have that today with China, the Middle East, Russia, USA, etc. Many countries have clearly violated the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Of course, the UN is weak sauce and can't really enforce it on it's own. So.
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