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29-01-2012, 11:31 PM
Global warming
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ds-newsxml

And for your continuing reading pleasure…

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content...418386.htm

So is it or not?
One group are investing their cash in wool while the rest are buying sun screen stocks.

Is it all just a cycle we are arrogant enough to think we have caused and are now being milked via carbon taxes or are we really responsible for our own demise and earth will wind up as a humanness paradise for the creatures who can adapt fast enough?

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29-01-2012, 11:42 PM
RE: Global warming
(29-01-2012 11:31 PM)Karl Wrote:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ds-newsxml

And for your continuing reading pleasure…

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content...418386.htm

So is it or not?
One group are investing their cash in wool while the rest are buying sun screen stocks.

Is it all just a cycle we are arrogant enough to think we have caused and are now being milked via carbon taxes or are we really responsible for our own demise and earth will wind up as a humanness paradise for the creatures who can adapt fast enough?

I don't think 'arrogance' is applicable.
The science is:
  • The average world temperature has been rising;
  • The earth's average temperature is cyclic;
  • We don't know where in the cycle we are;
  • Human activity is adding many tons of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere;
  • Adding tons of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere has unknown consequences.

There is still a lot of science to do, but we should do the freakin' science now, just in case.

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30-01-2012, 12:05 AM
RE: Global warming
(29-01-2012 11:42 PM)Chas Wrote:  I don't think 'arrogance' is applicable.

Re reading, you're quite right.

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30-01-2012, 02:38 PM
RE: Global warming
I forgot where I heard it but I heard that a climate change like the one now is happening all the time on this planet. Every so and so many years the pole caps melt and then freeze again...

I don't think that adding the gases into the air is a big deal for the planet, if it's a problem then only for us people and a good junk of the animal world and some plants. But not for the planet really. Volcanos, acid rains, oil leaks, too hot climate, too cold climate... all relative... we are people, we might not survive some things. But that doesn't mean that it is bad for the planet.

Want people to survive longer? Act now, everyone can do something. Don't have your own car but use the bus/train/bike/feet. If you neeeed a car for whatever reason, get one that goes with electricity. Don't BBQ every weekend in summer, don't use central heating that uses oil but use the type with water. Recycle. Don't support products coming from factories that pump only shit into the air (though that is complicated because you can't know that easily). Sign petitions that are on topic. Voice and spread your opinion about keytopics like traffic and leaking oil transporters on the ocean, chemtrails and such. Raise awareness. << That's the bit we can do as normal people. The rest pretty much is in the hands of governments all over the world.

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30-01-2012, 02:51 PM
RE: Global warming
One suggestion: Read "Climate Wars" by Gwynne Dyer.

He is a historian who spent 2 years researching the topic and interviewing all the major players.

He spells out the facts and the likely consequences.

He describes half a dozen possible scenarios the world may have to face within the next few decades.

Not a pleasant bed-time reading though.
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30-01-2012, 11:15 PM
RE: Global warming
And another one…

http://news.investors.com/Article/599442...ce-age.htm

While you’re reading try and get a copy of Air Con by Ian Wishart.

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31-01-2012, 06:31 AM
RE: Global warming
Something is obviously wrong with the climate. I live in Prince Edward Island where e have ridiculous snow storms. However. This year has been unusually warm. So warm in fact that we don't even have a foot of snow in JANUARY. Usually the snow levels here make walking next to impossible but just the other day I was outside in a t-shirt.
Something is really fucked up.

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31-01-2012, 10:14 AM
RE: Global warming
(29-01-2012 11:31 PM)Karl Wrote:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ds-newsxml

And for your continuing reading pleasure…

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content...418386.htm

So is it or not?
One group are investing their cash in wool while the rest are buying sun screen stocks.

Is it all just a cycle we are arrogant enough to think we have caused and are now being milked via carbon taxes or are we really responsible for our own demise and earth will wind up as a humanness paradise for the creatures who can adapt fast enough?

While the earth has undergone climate changes in the past, the current climate change appears to be quite different because it is happening so fast - decades instead of centuries.

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31-01-2012, 05:15 PM
RE: Global warming
I think this man's case is an interesting read. He is a physics professor and was a climate skeptic.
He did his own research funded as I recall by the Koch Brothers (oil interests - relevant to topic) and Bill Gates.
His research lined up almost entierly with all previous research on the topic - alarmingly so acutally. That's why I bring up the oil funds , if he was biased he would have every interest to lie.

Here is an article about him :
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/30...66029.html

But I think it is best if you read his papers rather than how the media reports on them.

And the daily mail is the printed version of Fox News as far as I understand it , so let's make fun of it :



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