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09-04-2012, 03:04 PM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(09-04-2012 02:48 PM)Humakt Wrote:  
(09-04-2012 07:31 AM)germanyt Wrote:  I have to assume that you only claim that to garnish attention. No sane person would rather live in Cuba unless they were Hispanic or Latino and the deciding factor was language and/or culture. But even then, there are plenty of places in the US with heavy Hispanic culture and lots of Spanish speaking.
Feel free to assume away, but by far the deciding factor would be health care in my case. There health care is fantasic, america's not so much. Not sure if your trying to equate mental illness with being hispanic or not, but I'll leave off on making any such assumptions, but one cheap shot deserves another.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to take my meds.
LOL at their h/c being better. Need a triple bypass or neurosurgery in Cuba. You'll be dying (literally) to get the US for some real health care. Get cancer and you'll be begging Castro to give you special government permission to call MD Anderson in Texas. Another LOL at your equation. Just saying that short of wanting to live in a heavy Hispanic culture I can't personally think of a good reason to want to live in Cuba.

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09-04-2012, 07:56 PM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(09-04-2012 03:04 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(09-04-2012 02:48 PM)Humakt Wrote:  Feel free to assume away, but by far the deciding factor would be health care in my case. There health care is fantasic, america's not so much. Not sure if your trying to equate mental illness with being hispanic or not, but I'll leave off on making any such assumptions, but one cheap shot deserves another.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to take my meds.
LOL at their h/c being better. Need a triple bypass or neurosurgery in Cuba. You'll be dying (literally) to get the US for some real health care. Get cancer and you'll be begging Castro to give you special government permission to call MD Anderson in Texas. Another LOL at your equation. Just saying that short of wanting to live in a heavy Hispanic culture I can't personally think of a good reason to want to live in Cuba.
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10-04-2012, 12:36 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
Why are we still debating communism vs capitalism in the 21st century? I thought we left that shit behind us already, SPOILER ALERT: both are shitty systems! both are incomplete and leads to abuse one way or the other, now we all should get over it and try to think something that actually works so we can all be happy m'kay?

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10-04-2012, 07:48 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 12:36 AM)nach_in Wrote:  Why are we still debating communism vs capitalism in the 21st century? I thought we left that shit behind us already, SPOILER ALERT: both are shitty systems! both are incomplete and leads to abuse one way or the other, now we all should get over it and try to think something that actually works so we can all be happy m'kay?
Perhaps you should review the history of communism. The only worse scenario I can think of is a theocratic monarchy. I'd rather live in anarchy than communism.

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10-04-2012, 07:56 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 12:36 AM)nach_in Wrote:  Why are we still debating communism vs capitalism in the 21st century? I thought we left that shit behind us already, SPOILER ALERT: both are shitty systems! both are incomplete and leads to abuse one way or the other, now we all should get over it and try to think something that actually works so we can all be happy m'kay?
syndicalism...but then again, there is no such thing as a perfect system. The super rich people want a system that makes it easy to screw people over. they tyrannical want a system that puts them in charge of everything.

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10-04-2012, 08:15 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 07:56 AM)reverendjeremiah Wrote:  syndicalism...but then again, there is no such thing as a perfect system. The super rich people want a system that makes it easy to screw people over. they tyrannical want a system that puts them in charge of everything.
And we're back to those evil corporations. The corporations that make your job possible and make all the products you buy. And of course no large business owner could be a good guy. They are all out to fuck over the peasants in the 99%.


That's such a douche way of looking at the world.


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10-04-2012, 08:20 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 07:48 AM)germanyt Wrote:  
(10-04-2012 12:36 AM)nach_in Wrote:  Why are we still debating communism vs capitalism in the 21st century? I thought we left that shit behind us already, SPOILER ALERT: both are shitty systems! both are incomplete and leads to abuse one way or the other, now we all should get over it and try to think something that actually works so we can all be happy m'kay?
Perhaps you should review the history of communism. The only worse scenario I can think of is a theocratic monarchy. I'd rather live in anarchy than communism.
If I were to say something about you from that statement I would say you have a poor imagination, let me name a couple I think are comparable to communism: Military dictatorship (not all of them are communist) and wild neoliberalism (rich/poor gap and public debt usually go off the charts with this one).
I reckon from other threads you're strongly biased against communism, but try not to demonize it just because it failed, in theory is as good as any other system, in practice it didn't work because it lost, but if it were the other way around it would be as successful as capitalism, even if that's not too much.

In any case, I never said communism is good or anything like it, but that doesn't mean capitalism in any of its forms is good. Capitalism can destroy a country as much as communism.

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10-04-2012, 08:35 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 08:15 AM)germanyt Wrote:  
(10-04-2012 07:56 AM)reverendjeremiah Wrote:  syndicalism...but then again, there is no such thing as a perfect system. The super rich people want a system that makes it easy to screw people over. they tyrannical want a system that puts them in charge of everything.
And we're back to those evil corporations. The corporations that make your job possible and make all the products you buy. And of course no large business owner could be a good guy. They are all out to fuck over the peasants in the 99%.


That's such a douche way of looking at the world.


This you brah?
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Thats not me. Thats you. those are YOUR words, not mine. I dont use worthless words like "good" and "evil" in the context you used them.
Good is an ice cold beer and tasty food. Evil is Darth Vader in fiction. In real life it is much more complicated than that.
But since you brought up corporations, lets talk about them making jobs for us by bribing both political parties (it isnt a secret, you can pull up Pepsi co. and see them split their donations right down the middle) to remove the vote from non-rich people. sure, I can vote, but what good is my vote when a company has bought all the politicians before they are even in office?
Lets talk about all of those jobs the corporations are getting using government money and tax loopholes to move their jobs offshore to 3rd wordl countries to pay people $0.50 a day if they are lucky, and work all day everyday. they dont lower their prices either, they ship the product right back over here at the same price if not more...and it was my tax money they used to enhance their bonuses and salary. None of this is secret, anyone can do their homework to find this out.
How about the insder agreements that corrupt corporations have with corrupt businesses? How about that citizens united where business can flat out spend as much as they want bribing our republic out from under us? How about when you tie all of this together then wallstreet can take our money, bet like a dog, then take more of our money for bailouts while the rest of us are hilding bills so large our grandchildren cant even pay them off in their lifetime. This has caused a American Public debt of $14.972 trillion / 99.7% of GDP. Almost 100% of our GDP is debt now because of this system of corrupt corporations bribing corrupt politicians.



this is what the occupy movement is opposed to, yet you call it "a douchey way of looking at the world"

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10-04-2012, 08:51 AM (This post was last modified: 10-04-2012 09:04 AM by germanyt.)
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 08:20 AM)nach_in Wrote:  
(10-04-2012 07:48 AM)germanyt Wrote:  Perhaps you should review the history of communism. The only worse scenario I can think of is a theocratic monarchy. I'd rather live in anarchy than communism.
If I were to say something about you from that statement I would say you have a poor imagination, let me name a couple I think are comparable to communism: Military dictatorship (not all of them are communist) and wild neoliberalism (rich/poor gap and public debt usually go off the charts with this one).
I reckon from other threads you're strongly biased against communism, but try not to demonize it just because it failed, in theory is as good as any other system, in practice it didn't work because it lost, but if it were the other way around it would be as successful as capitalism, even if that's not too much.

In any case, I never said communism is good or anything like it, but that doesn't mean capitalism in any of its forms is good. Capitalism can destroy a country as much as communism.
Biased against communism? No. And 'in theory' or 'on paper' don't really matter. In the real world and in application communism is probably the biggest failure in government model in history. It's horrifically oppresses it's people and condemns the majority to a life of mediocrity if not poverty. Most citizens living in communists countries don't care for it. In fact, wars have been fought and millions of lives have been lost combating communism. As for capitalism, 2.5 centuries here in the US and still going strong.




(10-04-2012 08:35 AM)reverendjeremiah Wrote:  Thats not me. Thats you. those are YOUR words, not mine. I dont use worthless words like "good" and "evil" in the context you used them.
Good is an ice cold beer and tasty food. Evil is Darth Vader in fiction. In real life it is much more complicated than that.
But since you brought up corporations, lets talk about them making jobs for us by bribing both political parties (it isnt a secret, you can pull up Pepsi co. and see them split their donations right down the middle) to remove the vote from non-rich people. sure, I can vote, but what good is my vote when a company has bought all the politicians before they are even in office?


Lets talk about all of those jobs the corporations are getting using government money and tax loopholes to move their jobs offshore to 3rd wordl countries to pay people $0.50 a day if they are lucky, and work all day everyday. they dont lower their prices either, they ship the product right back over here at the same price if not more...and it was my tax money they used to enhance their bonuses and salary. None of this is secret, anyone can do their homework to find this out. How about the insder agreements that corrupt corporations have with corrupt businesses? How about that citizens united where business can flat out spend as much as they want bribing our republic out from under us? How about when you tie all of this together then wallstreet can take our money, bet like a dog, then take more of our money for bailouts while the rest of us are hilding bills so large our grandchildren cant even pay them off in their lifetime. This has caused a American Public debt of $14.972 trillion / 99.7% of GDP. Almost 100% of our GDP is debt now because of this system of corrupt corporations bribing corrupt politicians.



this is what the occupy movement is opposed to, yet you call it "a douchey way of looking at the world"

I was gonna break down each sentence but I found myself providing the same answer. Liberal economic policy causes all the problems you just cited with exception to lobbying. So a bunch of liberals camped outside of a bank bitching about the bailouts that Bush and Obama signed when they should have been looking for a job. And even if they didn't look for jobs they could have camped outside Congress or the WH. Goldman Sachs didn't sign the bailout. It's so funny to me that a bunch of socialist loving liberals protests a corporation's practices while blogging about it on their iPad. And the whole reason for their complaint was because of a socialist/liberal economic practice by 2 presidents. Those people don't even know what they are protesting.

And cynicism is a douchey way of looking at the world. Occupy protesters are just retarded.

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10-04-2012, 09:08 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 08:51 AM)germanyt Wrote:  
(10-04-2012 08:20 AM)nach_in Wrote:  If I were to say something about you from that statement I would say you have a poor imagination, let me name a couple I think are comparable to communism: Military dictatorship (not all of them are communist) and wild neoliberalism (rich/poor gap and public debt usually go off the charts with this one).
I reckon from other threads you're strongly biased against communism, but try not to demonize it just because it failed, in theory is as good as any other system, in practice it didn't work because it lost, but if it were the other way around it would be as successful as capitalism, even if that's not too much.

In any case, I never said communism is good or anything like it, but that doesn't mean capitalism in any of its forms is good. Capitalism can destroy a country as much as communism.
Biased against communism? No. And 'in theory' or 'on paper' don't really matter. In the real world and in application communism is probably the biggest failure in government model in history. It's horrifically oppresses it's people and condemns the majority to a life of mediocrity if not poverty. Most citizens living in communists countries don't care for it. In fact, wars have been fought and millions of lives have been lost combating communism. As for capitalism, 2.5 centuries here in the US and still going strong.
I know, in the US worked quite well for a good part of your history, it didn't worked so well for the countries you meddled with though, trust me, my family lost our house thanks to that sort of intervention. But that's not my point, i'm trying to say that capitalism is ideal, is it better than other systems? YES, but it's far from perfect and sometimes I think you fail to understand that, I'm sorry but you sound like you have blind faith in capitalism sometimes.
We live in a globalised world, I see our prices rising everyday because of the financial crisis in the US and Europe, this country is working hard and diligently to get out of its own problems, some economist even say we're exemplary, then why do I have to count pennies for the economic powers messed up things? how is that fair and ideal? who are the freeloaders now?



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