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10-04-2012, 11:21 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
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10-04-2012, 11:24 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
Because you're at work working hard for that future lol.

Sorry couldn't resist.

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10-04-2012, 11:26 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 11:08 AM)germanyt Wrote:  
(10-04-2012 11:00 AM)nach_in Wrote:  I think that the fear of starvation is the best motivator for people to work is simplistic and backwards. Simplistic because human nature is far more rich than just the drive for satisfying basic needs, we thrive when we do things we enjoy when we can satisfy our curiosity or making beautiful and useful things, but we don't promote that kind of thinking, we have turned work from being something it should make us happy to something we loath and fear. And it's backwards because threatening someone with not being able to eat or to feed their family on the basis they can't get a descent job and then blaming that same person for not working "hard enough" is irrational, the very same laws of economy say there must be some unemployment or else there would be too much inflation, and then the same system blames those who are unemployed for that situation, it's medieval!

I understand the need to encourage hard work, I also think there are better ways to do so instead of threatening people to starve them and their families to death
I don't see starvation as a motivator. I see wealth as a motivator. I'll never starve. If I have bus tables to make a paycheck I will. Basics are all I require and all anyone should require. Food, shelter, and clothing. I could live out my life with nothing else. But the dream is what keeps me focused and working. I may not ever be a millionaire but I would like to have a paid for 3000 sq ft house and nice boat and truck. Knowing that I worked hard, provided a better life for my kids than I had, and taking it easy during retirement would satisfy me.

But thats just it. People who hold to communism and socialism find the mere existence of millionaires and billionaires to be offensive. I dont want to be rich. I want to live in a society were competing against your neighbor is considered fucking rude.
rice is worth 10 billion times its weight in gold to me. Feeding people who are hungry is profit to me. Other people, on the other hand, wish to turn that hunger into a way to enslave people. Those people should be pelted with bags of rice by the hungry children. People who place a worth on other people are scum of the earth. Its one thing to come to an agreed upon transaction, but completely another that the existence of a minimum wage must actually exist...what a horrid fucking society in which people have no problem setting another person worth at less than $1 a day for 12 hours of physical labor. THOSE people are the tyrants who impose wage slavery.

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10-04-2012, 11:26 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 09:26 AM)germanyt Wrote:  [...]People have to work hard in order to survive [...]

[...] The wellfare recipients will loose the push to
work created by potential starvation and continue to not work [...]
those are the parts I got the starvation thing Tongue


Quote: But the dream is what keeps me focused and working. I may not ever be a
millionaire but I would like to have a paid for 3000 sq ft house and
nice boat and truck. Knowing that I worked hard, provided a better life
for my kids than I had, and taking it easy during retirement would
satisfy me.
You don't mention money there, you don't need money to have those things because it's a law of nature, you need it because is a social construct that imposes that law. If we change the social framework, we can make those things more easily available for everyone who wants them.

Let me ask you a few questions on that, do you want the expensive house or you want a very comfortable home? do you want a boat or access to a boat? (in good conditions obviously) the same for the truck.
I ask that because many times we confuse wanting the property of something when we actually want it's usage, and sharing stuff is more efficient if it's done in the right way.

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10-04-2012, 11:26 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 11:24 AM)lucradis Wrote:  Because you're at work working hard for that future lol.

Sorry couldn't resist.
My job description has me in front of a computer waiting on phone calls all day. And I fucking hate this job. As soon as my wife graduates I'm going straight back to the used car lot.

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10-04-2012, 11:35 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 11:26 AM)germanyt Wrote:  
(10-04-2012 11:24 AM)lucradis Wrote:  Because you're at work working hard for that future lol.

Sorry couldn't resist.
My job description has me in front of a computer waiting on phone calls all day. And I fucking hate this job. As soon as my wife graduates I'm going straight back to the used car lot.
A used car salesman?!?! LOL, its like a text book classification for a libertarian type... Thumbsup

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10-04-2012, 12:22 PM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
I'm not saying people shouldn't get rewarded for their hard work, I'm just saying we shouldn't condemn people who make poor financial decisions (which are mostly luck this days) to death, or push them to a criminal conduct to eat. On the other hand, we shouldn't give everything away to some lucky few who made good choices, why a person who works a few hours a day get to earn billions while others who bust their asses everyday earn a few hundreds? that's not fair, there's no justice in such system. I'm not advocating for an absolute equality, but there must be a limit to how many times we allow ourselves to look away from people living in misery, and how greedy we let those in the to be.
I don't know about you, but I don't like to live in a world were some bastards spend billions in palaces, dozens of boats and private jets, in stupid jewlery and unnecessary luxury when every year more people die of hunger than all of those who were killed in the holocaust.
Do they deserve luxury? if they worked hard yes! but not that much! nobody deserves to swim in champagne when the pool boy family is struggling to buy some rice.

You say you want to make things easier for your children, but what if your kids make an unlucky decision? do you really want to leave them to live at such risk? do you prefer the possibility of wealth over financial security that much?

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10-04-2012, 01:00 PM (This post was last modified: 10-04-2012 01:20 PM by germanyt.)
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 11:35 AM)reverendjeremiah Wrote:  
(10-04-2012 11:26 AM)germanyt Wrote:  My job description has me in front of a computer waiting on phone calls all day. And I fucking hate this job. As soon as my wife graduates I'm going straight back to the used car lot.
A used car salesman?!?! LOL, its like a text book classification for a libertarian type... Thumbsup
It's what I'm good at. With sales picking up as the economy strengthens I might make 6 figures next year.

(10-04-2012 12:22 PM)nach_in Wrote:  I'm not saying people shouldn't get rewarded for their hard work, I'm just saying we shouldn't condemn people who make poor financial decisions (which are mostly luck this days) to death, or push them to a criminal conduct to eat. On the other hand, we shouldn't give everything away to some lucky few who made good choices, why a person who works a few hours a day get to earn billions while others who bust their asses everyday earn a few hundreds? that's not fair, there's no justice in such system. I'm not advocating for an absolute equality, but there must be a limit to how many times we allow ourselves to look away from people living in misery, and how greedy we let those in the to be.
I don't know about you, but I don't like to live in a world were some bastards spend billions in palaces, dozens of boats and private jets, in stupid jewlery and unnecessary luxury when every year more people die of hunger than all of those who were killed in the holocaust.
Do they deserve luxury? if they worked hard yes! but not that much! nobody deserves to swim in champagne when the pool boy family is struggling to buy some rice.

You say you want to make things easier for your children, but what if your kids make an unlucky decision? do you really want to leave them to live at such risk? do you prefer the possibility of wealth over financial security that much?
I don't disagree with you. And I totally understand your position. But no one should be able to force another person to only own 1 jet or 1 boat. It is their money to do with as they please. No individual is obligated to any other IMO.

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10-04-2012, 06:41 PM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 01:00 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(10-04-2012 11:35 AM)reverendjeremiah Wrote:  A used car salesman?!?! LOL, its like a text book classification for a libertarian type... Thumbsup
It's what I'm good at. With sales picking up as the economy strengthens I might make 6 figures next year.

(10-04-2012 12:22 PM)nach_in Wrote:  I'm not saying people shouldn't get rewarded for their hard work, I'm just saying we shouldn't condemn people who make poor financial decisions (which are mostly luck this days) to death, or push them to a criminal conduct to eat. On the other hand, we shouldn't give everything away to some lucky few who made good choices, why a person who works a few hours a day get to earn billions while others who bust their asses everyday earn a few hundreds? that's not fair, there's no justice in such system. I'm not advocating for an absolute equality, but there must be a limit to how many times we allow ourselves to look away from people living in misery, and how greedy we let those in the to be.
I don't know about you, but I don't like to live in a world were some bastards spend billions in palaces, dozens of boats and private jets, in stupid jewlery and unnecessary luxury when every year more people die of hunger than all of those who were killed in the holocaust.
Do they deserve luxury? if they worked hard yes! but not that much! nobody deserves to swim in champagne when the pool boy family is struggling to buy some rice.

You say you want to make things easier for your children, but what if your kids make an unlucky decision? do you really want to leave them to live at such risk? do you prefer the possibility of wealth over financial security that much?
I don't disagree with you. And I totally understand your position. But no one should be able to force another person to only own 1 jet or 1 boat. It is their money to do with as they please. No individual is obligated to any other IMO.
Ah! you don't like Rawls, I see Tongue

I would challenge the idea that no individual is obligate to any other, I explained the reasons why I think that here.

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11-04-2012, 09:00 AM
RE: Go figure. People just don't like communism.
(10-04-2012 06:41 PM)nach_in Wrote:  
(10-04-2012 01:00 PM)germanyt Wrote:  It's what I'm good at. With sales picking up as the economy strengthens I might make 6 figures next year.

I don't disagree with you. And I totally understand your position. But no one should be able to force another person to only own 1 jet or 1 boat. It is their money to do with as they please. No individual is obligated to any other IMO.
Ah! you don't like Rawls, I see Tongue

I would challenge the idea that no individual is obligate to any other, I explained the reasons why I think that here.
I read that post. I commented on the thread too. I still maintain that I'm not. And no one is. If I'm a millionaire and an unemployed guy lives in the trailer across the street I'm not obligated to provide him with anything. Sure, it would be a nice thing to do to buy him some groceries or pay his rent so he's not hungry and homeless but I'm certainly not obliged to help. I am not responsible for him and he isn't for me. If he doesn't want to be homeless and hungry then he should find work. It'd be more respectful IMO to offer the guy a job maintaining my lawn or cleaning my pool. He can earn his way.

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