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29-03-2013, 02:47 AM (This post was last modified: 05-04-2013 10:54 PM by Doctor X.)
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29-03-2013, 02:48 AM
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(29-03-2013 02:38 AM)Doctor X Wrote:  Go Here.

--J.D.

Yeah we've seen that before...its getting a little old.

Birth defects are problems of humanity...maybe God wants us to solve problems so that we may grow in wisdom.
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29-03-2013, 02:52 AM (This post was last modified: 29-03-2013 02:55 AM by Heywood Jahblome.)
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(29-03-2013 02:47 AM)Doctor X Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 02:42 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  It could be that God expects us to manage our own affairs and not be too dependent on Him.

Hard for a child paralyzed and drowning in her own secretions to be "independent." Nevertheless, Evil or Irrelevant.

Quote:It could be that God is like you and simply doesn't care.

Evil or Irrelevant.

Quote:If you really cared about bad things happening to innocent people, you'd be out patrolling the streets to prevent them instead of wasting your time arguing about God on the internet.

We do, son.

We just do not expect to be worshipped, nor do we have self-righteous minions demand we be worshipped.

--J.D.


You don't care. If you did you would sell everything you had to buy food for some kid starving to death in east Africa. If God deserves to go to hell beuase he could prevent evil but doesn't bother too, then you deserve to go to hell for the very same reason. You have it in your power to reduce suffering in the world...you just choose not to exercise it.

Me...I'm honest...I'd rather buy beer for myself then food to keep the ethopans from dying.
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29-03-2013, 03:00 AM
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(29-03-2013 02:52 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 02:47 AM)Doctor X Wrote:  
Hard for a child paralyzed and drowning in her own secretions to be "independent." Nevertheless, Evil or Irrelevant.


Evil or Irrelevant.


We do, son.

We just do not expect to be worshipped, nor do we have self-righteous minions demand we be worshipped.

--J.D.


You don't care. If you did you would sell everything you had to buy food for some kid starving to death in east Africa. If God deserves to go to hell beuase he could prevent evil but doesn't bother too, then you deserve to go to hell for the very same reason. You have it in your power to reduce suffering in the world...you just choose not to exercise it.

Me...I'm honest...I'd rather buy beer for myself then food to keep the ethopans from dying.

By calling mortals to life, what a cruel and dangerous part has not the Deity forced them to act? Thrown into the world without their consent, provided with a temperament of which they are not masters, animated by passions and desires inherent in their nature, exposed to snares which they have not power to escape, hurried away by events which they could not foresee or prevent, unhappy mortals are compelled to run a career, which may lead them to punishments horrible in duration and violence.

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29-03-2013, 03:01 AM (This post was last modified: 05-04-2013 10:54 PM by Doctor X.)
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29-03-2013, 03:05 AM
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Divines never fail to persuade us, that the enormous distance which separates God and man, necessarily renders the conduct of God a mystery to us, and that we have no right to interrogate our master. Is this answer satisfactory? Since my eternal happiness is at stake, have I not a right to examine the conduct of God himself? It is only in hope of happiness that men submit to the authority of a God. A despot, to whom men submit only through fear, a master, whom they cannot interrogate, a sovereign totally inaccessible, can never merit the homage of intelligent beings. If the conduct of God is a mystery, it is not made for us. Man can neither adore, admire, respect, nor imitate conduct, in which every thing is inconceivable, or, of which he can often form only revolting ideas; unless it is pretended, that we ought to adore every thing of which we are forced to be ignorant, and that every thing, which we do not know, becomes for that reason an object of admiration. Divines! You never cease telling us, that the designs of God are impenetrable; that his ways are not our ways, nor his thoughts our thoughts; that it is absurd to complain of his administration, of the motives and springs of which we are totally ignorant; that it is presumption to tax his judgments with injustice, because we cannot comprehend them. But when you speak in this strain, do you not perceive, that you destroy with your own hands all your profound systems, whose only end is to explain to us the ways of the divinity, which, you say, are impenetrable? Have you penetrated his judgments, his ways, his designs? You dare not assert it, and though you reason about them without end, you do not comprehend them any more than we do. If, by chance, you know the plan of God, which you wish us to admire, while most people find it so little worthy of a just, good, intelligent, and reasonable being, no longer say, this plan is impenetrable. If you are as ignorant of it as we are, have some indulgence for those who ingenuously confess, they comprehend nothing in it, or that they see in it nothing divine. Cease to persecute for opinions, of which you understand nothing yourselves; cease to defame each other for dreams and conjectures, which every thing seems to contradict. Talk to us of things intelligible and really useful to men; and no longer talk to us of the impenetrable ways of God, about which you only stammer and contradict yourselves.

By continually speaking of the immense depths of divine wisdom, forbidding us to sound them, saying it is insolence to cite God before the tribunal of our feeble reason, making it a crime to judge our master, divines teach us nothing but the embarrassment they are in, when it is required to account for the conduct of a God, whose conduct they think marvellous only because they are utterly incapable of comprehending it themselves.

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29-03-2013, 03:05 AM (This post was last modified: 05-04-2013 10:54 PM by Doctor X.)
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29-03-2013, 03:12 AM
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(29-03-2013 03:01 AM)Doctor X Wrote:  And you have no answer for it . . . I know.

If smallpox could be cured with a prayer....we'd still have small pox....and we'd be a whole lot dumber as a species. I hope you don't spoil your children the way you expect God to spoil humanity.
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29-03-2013, 03:15 AM
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(29-03-2013 03:12 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 03:01 AM)Doctor X Wrote:  And you have no answer for it . . . I know.

If smallpox could be cured with a prayer....we'd still have small pox....and we'd be a whole lot dumber as a species. I hope you don't spoil you children the way you expect God to spoil humanity.

A reward for giving him an ego boost, is heaven which is the very definition of spoiling.

The chimerical or supernatural notions of theology have so succeeded in destroying, in the minds of men, the most simple, dear, and natural ideas, that the devout, unable to accuse God of malice, accustom themselves to regard the several strokes of fate as indubitable proofs of celestial goodness. When in affliction, they are ordered to believe that God loves them, that God visits them, that God wishes to try them. Thus religion has attained the art of converting evil into good! A profane person said with reason—If God Almighty thus treats those whom he loves, I earnestly beseech him never to think of me.

Men must have received very gloomy and cruel ideas of their God, who is called so good, to believe that the most dreadful calamities and piercing afflictions are marks of his favour! Would an evil genius, a demon, be more ingenious in tormenting his enemies, than the God of goodness sometimes is, who so often exercises his severity upon his dearest friends?

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29-03-2013, 03:19 AM
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(29-03-2013 03:15 AM)fstratzero Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 03:12 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  If smallpox could be cured with a prayer....we'd still have small pox....and we'd be a whole lot dumber as a species. I hope you don't spoil you children the way you expect God to spoil humanity.

A reward for giving him an ego boost, is heaven which is the very definition of spoiling.


Spoiled children have no fear of punishment(like going to hell) so your analogy fails.
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