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14-06-2016, 01:10 PM
God: The Ultimate Special Case
God gets a pass on anything. Just ask any theist.

What came before god? God. He has always existed, and to top it all off, everything else requires a creator.
Why would he choose convoluted course of action X, if he is all powerful and could do it simply with Y? His ways are not our ways, also, who are you to question God?
If he commanded us not to kill, why does he then command us to kill? See above.

I could go on. And on.
I understand that the concept of the judeo-christian god has evolved along with his believers over the years; from the child of another god, to a tribal god, to a national god, to a world-saving god, to a personal god.
I find it interesting, though, that if you were to lay out all the apologetics to explain the inconsistency of his character and commands, that two things are quite clear; God gets a pass on everything he does, and what cannot apply to anything else somehow applies to him.
He is the answer for everything, and they have an excuse for anything else.
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14-06-2016, 03:25 PM
RE: God: The Ultimate Special Case
Special? In the short bus sense of the word?

A theology that's evolved from the tales of bronze-age goat herders is likely to be short on logic and long on special pleading.

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14-06-2016, 03:31 PM
RE: God: The Ultimate Special Case
The omni God is a special case and we do need to understand he is perfect yet limited in many ways but only when he feels like it, since he's perfect you can't question him except when you cherry pick his perfect words in the Bible...that's totally fine.

Human beings will have their own opinions no matter what happens so any God will just take on the forms and opinions of those who worship him, that is very definition of imperfection since we are all so different but we are flawed and so are our Gods.

We can't help but be subjective about it since we don't have any objectives to compare to so we can't create anything that is perfect in every way.

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16-06-2016, 04:21 AM
RE: God: The Ultimate Special Case
(14-06-2016 01:10 PM)Gordon Blue Wrote:  Why would he choose convoluted course of action X, if he is all powerful and could do it simply with Y?

If one is "all powerful" nothing is "easy" or "hard". To you a method might seem "convoluted" but to a being which is "all powerful" that method is just as effortless as any other.
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16-06-2016, 04:30 AM
RE: God: The Ultimate Special Case
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16-06-2016, 04:54 AM
RE: God: The Ultimate Special Case
(16-06-2016 04:21 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(14-06-2016 01:10 PM)Gordon Blue Wrote:  Why would he choose convoluted course of action X, if he is all powerful and could do it simply with Y?

If one is "all powerful" nothing is "easy" or "hard". To you a method might seem "convoluted" but to a being which is "all powerful" that method is just as effortless as any other.

Some things are just stupid though. Why flood the world to get rid of humans? Why command a man to build a boat and put two of each kind on it to avoid it?

When something can be done so much better, it provokes questioning.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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16-06-2016, 05:04 AM
RE: God: The Ultimate Special Case
(16-06-2016 04:54 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(16-06-2016 04:21 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  If one is "all powerful" nothing is "easy" or "hard". To you a method might seem "convoluted" but to a being which is "all powerful" that method is just as effortless as any other.

Some things are just stupid though. Why flood the world to get rid of humans? Why command a man to build a boat and put two of each kind on it to avoid it?

When something can be done so much better, it provokes questioning.

The fact that atheists have to anthropomorphize the nature of God to justify their positions is what provokes questions.
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16-06-2016, 05:10 AM
RE: God: The Ultimate Special Case
(16-06-2016 05:04 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(16-06-2016 04:54 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Some things are just stupid though. Why flood the world to get rid of humans? Why command a man to build a boat and put two of each kind on it to avoid it?

When something can be done so much better, it provokes questioning.

The fact that atheists have to anthropomorphize the nature of God to justify their positions is what provokes questions.

So there's some profound wisdom in why god decided to flood the world to kill humans instead of just making them disappear?

Fill us in on it, why was that the methodology used?

BTW- The myth of Genesis says we were created in god's image, so why wouldn't said nature follow a clear rationality instead of convoluted mental gymnastics attempting to make it sound sensible?

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

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16-06-2016, 05:13 AM
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First off, its not a matter of effort, its method.
Second, especially here, i would guess that no atheist here feels they need to justify their position.
If anything, though the backflips and contortions, the apologetics it takes to make any of have the semblance of making sense, when youd think we could expect something more fitting of an all powerful god. Its the apologists that are straining to justify their position.
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16-06-2016, 05:18 AM
RE: God: The Ultimate Special Case
(16-06-2016 05:10 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(16-06-2016 05:04 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The fact that atheists have to anthropomorphize the nature of God to justify their positions is what provokes questions.

So there's some profound wisdom in why god decided to flood the world to kill humans instead of just making them disappear?

Fill us in on it, why was that the methodology used?

BTW- The myth of Genesis says we were created in god's image, so why wouldn't said nature follow a clear rationality instead of convoluted mental gymnastics attempting to make it sound sensible?

I am not here to defend the stories of Genesis. I am here to criticize the belief that an all powerful God can do something "convoluted". If all methods require the exact same amount of effort, as in the case of an all powerful God, it is simply silly to characterize one method as "convoluted" and another as "better".....but that is what you an the OP are trying to do. How do you like failing?
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