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01-05-2015, 04:55 PM
God does endorse slavery
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01-05-2015, 05:52 PM
RE: God does endorse slavery
(22-03-2015 11:18 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(21-03-2015 04:53 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  For starters, if this was in reference to servants in the modern sense, why would you "buy" them?

Because, even in a modern sense, no one is going to be your servant for free...fucking duh.

(21-03-2015 04:53 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  Secondly, the word "servant" is rooted in the Latin "servus", which means "slave".

Umm, ok.

(21-03-2015 04:53 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  From the NIV Deu20:10When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
In other words, when you engage in aggression against other people, offer them two options, slavery, or KILL THEM, and take their stuff. (This is the word of the LORD?)
Sounds voluntary, right?

Somebody tell dumbass here that this is during wartime...and I previously said that this was the only time that forced slavery was allowed. You are right, slavery or DEATH.

(21-03-2015 04:53 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  Where did you derive this statistic?

A hunch.

(21-03-2015 04:53 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  If you think this is comical, you are a sick fuck.

Another hopeless soul that is so quick to judge moral right and wrong actions, yet, he has no objective standard to base these judgments Laughat

(21-03-2015 04:53 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  First off, NOWHERE in the bible does it require, command or even suggest that a man obtain a woman's consent to sex, or any decision a man might make regarding a woman he has taken in marriage or purchased.

Yet, there are scriptures at which God's law covers the subject of RAPE, and the rapist was to be put to death..and if the rapist was to be put to death, then that would obviously imply consent was needed.

Go play, child. You aint ready to stomp with the big dawg, yet. Laughat

(21-03-2015 04:53 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  I couldn't give a flying monkey shit fuck what your imaginary "GOD" supposedly said.

Yeah, you don't give a fuck what my imaginary God said, unless you are quoting my God in a way to justify one of your bullshit points, when it is convenient for you, huh? Because above you were quoting the hell out of him Laugh out load

That is that hypocritical shit right there.

(21-03-2015 04:53 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  When you have empirical evidence of his existence, then we'll talk.

Show me empirical evidence of the existence of a reptile in mid-transformation into a bird, then we'll talk.

Wartime wasn't the only time slavery was allowed: Fathers could *sell* their daughters into servitude.

Exodus 21:7: "And if a man sell his daughter as a servant, she is not free to go as male servants do."

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01-05-2015, 05:53 PM
RE: God does endorse slavery
(22-03-2015 11:31 AM)Russ Wrote:  
(22-03-2015 11:18 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  Show me empirical evidence of the existence of a reptile in mid-transformation into a bird, then we'll talk.

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Checkmate theists!

I want one of those as a pet Big Grin

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02-05-2015, 01:10 AM
RE: God does endorse slavery
(17-02-2015 02:12 PM)ronb2c Wrote:  Neither Jesus nor the apostle Paul, nor any other Biblical figure is recorded as having made any statement in opposition to the institution of slavery. Slavery was very much a part of life in Palestine and in the rest of the Roman Empire during old and New Testament times. (See examples below).

Leviticus 25:44-46 “However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. 17 “

Numbers? 31: 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Why would a God of love endorse treating people as chattel (Leviticus 25:44-46) and promoting the use of women as sex slaves (Numbers 31:17) .

How can sex, which has so many taboos, rules and restrictions in the New Testament, be given such free reign in the Old Testament? It appears that here, God and the Israelites place a high premium on capturing young virgin slaves, Presumably for the purpose of deflowering them (see verse above). And God, far from condemning this practice, actually is the one who orchestrates it. Is this the act of a holy loving god?
Does morality apply to God at all?

OT god is cruel tyrant, which like to be worshipped with fear and trembling, however to be fair he has some moments when he is kind off caring - Book of Jonah and god concern about Ninivites for example.

But one should remember that humans created god in their own image so it should be no surprise that his morality is like morality of his creators. And when he was created his doings might be considered act of loving god, or at least god that take care of his subjects when he isn't angry with them.

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02-05-2015, 07:03 AM
RE: God does endorse slavery
(02-05-2015 01:10 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(17-02-2015 02:12 PM)ronb2c Wrote:  Neither Jesus nor the apostle Paul, nor any other Biblical figure is recorded as having made any statement in opposition to the institution of slavery. Slavery was very much a part of life in Palestine and in the rest of the Roman Empire during old and New Testament times. (See examples below).

Leviticus 25:44-46 “However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. 17 “

Numbers? 31: 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Why would a God of love endorse treating people as chattel (Leviticus 25:44-46) and promoting the use of women as sex slaves (Numbers 31:17) .

How can sex, which has so many taboos, rules and restrictions in the New Testament, be given such free reign in the Old Testament? It appears that here, God and the Israelites place a high premium on capturing young virgin slaves, Presumably for the purpose of deflowering them (see verse above). And God, far from condemning this practice, actually is the one who orchestrates it. Is this the act of a holy loving god?
Does morality apply to God at all?

OT god is cruel tyrant, which like to be worshipped with fear and trembling, however to be fair he has some moments when he is kind off caring - Book of Jonah and god concern about Ninivites for example.

But one should remember that humans created god in their own image so it should be no surprise that his morality is like morality of his creators. And when he was created his doings might be considered act of loving god, or at least god that take care of his subjects when he isn't angry with them.

I didn't really see god as caring in the Book of Jonah: Jonah got swallowed by a whale for not doing what god asked him to do and the only reason God was *nice* to the Ninivites is because they decided to worship him.

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02-05-2015, 07:18 AM
RE: God does endorse slavery
(02-05-2015 07:03 AM)jennybee Wrote:  
(02-05-2015 01:10 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  OT god is cruel tyrant, which like to be worshipped with fear and trembling, however to be fair he has some moments when he is kind off caring - Book of Jonah and god concern about Ninivites for example.

But one should remember that humans created god in their own image so it should be no surprise that his morality is like morality of his creators. And when he was created his doings might be considered act of loving god, or at least god that take care of his subjects when he isn't angry with them.

I didn't really see god as caring in the Book of Jonah: Jonah got swallowed by a whale for not doing what god asked him to do and the only reason God was *nice* to the Ninivites is because they decided to worship him.

I think it is Jonah more at fault here, he did not want to warn Ninivites, and after fish episode he lied to them about inevitability of their doom, whereas he was supposed to inform them that they can escape god wrath.

It may not seem much, but god appear here somewhat caring which is quite a big deal when one take in consideration his usual modus operandi.

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02-05-2015, 07:21 AM
RE: God does endorse slavery
(02-05-2015 07:18 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(02-05-2015 07:03 AM)jennybee Wrote:  I didn't really see god as caring in the Book of Jonah: Jonah got swallowed by a whale for not doing what god asked him to do and the only reason God was *nice* to the Ninivites is because they decided to worship him.

I think it is Jonah more at fault here, he did not want to warn Ninivites, and after fish episode he lied to them about inevitability of their doom, whereas he was supposed to inform them that they can escape god wrath.

It may not seem much, but god appear here somewhat caring which is quite a big deal when one take in consideration his usual modus operandi.

To me, it was just another story that was basically saying if you don't do what god tells you to do--you're screwed.

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02-05-2015, 07:27 AM (This post was last modified: 02-05-2015 07:32 AM by Szuchow.)
RE: God does endorse slavery
(02-05-2015 07:21 AM)jennybee Wrote:  
(02-05-2015 07:18 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  I think it is Jonah more at fault here, he did not want to warn Ninivites, and after fish episode he lied to them about inevitability of their doom, whereas he was supposed to inform them that they can escape god wrath.

It may not seem much, but god appear here somewhat caring which is quite a big deal when one take in consideration his usual modus operandi.

To me, it was just another story that was basically saying if you don't do what god tells you to do--you're screwed.

Well, it was. But one could avoid being screwed and for once it is human and not god greater jackass.

Having said that it is by no means story about benevolent god, rather about god who somewhat care about people and is concerned with more than Hebrews.

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02-05-2015, 07:32 AM
RE: God does endorse slavery
RationalPoet...........Slavery was the social norm even in prior polytheism. It is a myth though that Jews were used to build the Egyptian tombs. Even in Greece and Rome, when you won a war you took their prisoners and even girls as prizes in war.

The idea of divine success allowed the winner who bought into that concept to make justifications for mistreating those they defeated. The idea of slavery was not unique to Abraham monotheism.

But no, the OT nor the bible or Koran outright call for a ban on slavery. At best the humans you used for sex or slavery were considered your property, and if damaged by someone outside that family would have to pay restitution for damaging your property.

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03-05-2015, 06:23 PM
RE: God does endorse slavery
Man does. There is no God. Problem solved.

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