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03-05-2015, 06:35 PM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2015 04:32 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: God does endorse slavery
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Some of my favorite scriptures...

GENESIS 19:6- In Sodom, Lot’s home was assaulted by a homosexual mob seeking to have relations with two angels. Lot volunteered his virgin daughters to the crowd, saying "you can do what you like with them" as long as the guests are left alone. After offering his children to be raped, Lot was then appointed by God as worthy of rescue from Sodom’s destruction.

EXODUS 21:20-21 According to God’s law, it was wrong to beat a slave to the point of death. But if the slave survived and got back up within a few days, the beating wasn’t punishable, because the slave was the property of the master. (God endorsed slavery and the beating of slaves.)

EXODUS 32:27 After seeing the golden calf, God commanded the Levites, "Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor." 3,000 were slaughtered, and God was pleased.

LEVITICUS 26:27-29 God threatened hostility, punishing people for their sins "seven times over," making them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters.

NUMBERS 31:17-18 God commanded Moses to kill all of the male Midianite children and "kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

NUMBERS 31:31-40 God divided the plunder to the soldiers, the priest, the Israelites and for tribute to the Lord. 675,000 sheep, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys and 32,000 virgin women.

DEUTERONOMY 7:2 God told the Israelites, regarding their enemies, to "destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy."

DEUTERONOMY 20:13-14 God laid down the rules for battle, instructing the slaughter of all of the men. Women, children, livestock and possessions could be taken as "plunder for yourselves."

DEUTERONOMY 20:16 "…in the cities of the nations the LORD your god is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes."

DEUTERONOMY 21:10-13 According to God’s law, if an Israelite soldier was at war with an enemy, and he saw a beautiful woman that he found attractive, he could capture her to be his wife. She must then shave her head, trim her nails and discard the clothing she was wearing when captured. She could mourn her father and mother for a month. If the soldier wasn’t pleased with her for any reason, he could "let her go wherever she wishes."

DEUTERONOMY 28:53 God’s punishment for disobedience included eating "the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you."

King James version
Numbers 15:32 – 36
and while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day.

And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

And they put him in Ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
And the Lord said unto Moses, a man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.

Wow, such a loving peaceful benevolent deity. Blink

Numbers 31:7
and they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

Numbers 31:15
and Moses said unto them, have ye saved all the women alive?

Numbers 31:17
now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him. (Wonder how the simple soldiers ascertained whether or not the women were virgins?)

Numbers 31:18
but all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

-After dividing up the spoils, or as the Bible referred to it as the booty;

Numbers 31:40
and the persons were 16,000; of which the Lord’s tribute was thirty and two persons.

So let’s do a recap, as per the Lord’s command, Moses directed slaughter of tens of thousands, men, women, and children, keeping for themselves of course the virgin girls as booty, and of course giving God’s representative his tribute….And this is a loving peaceful benevolent deity? Truly?

Drooling

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"The Christian community continues to exist because the conclusions of the critical study of the Bible are largely withheld from them." -Hans Conzelmann (1915-1989)
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03-05-2015, 07:20 PM
RE: God does endorse slavery
(31-03-2015 06:51 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Note that even though CotW maintains that God never endorsed slavery, he'd totally enslave some people if God told him to. Because of morality and all.

CotW: Even if we accept your crackpot theory that the Bible/God don't "endorse" slavery, why did your omni-pal allow humanity to labor under the illusion that the Bible does precisely that ... for thousands of years?

Can we get CotW banned now?

God does not work in mysterious ways — he works in ways that are indistinguishable from his non-existence.
Jesus had a pretty rough weekend for your sins.
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03-05-2015, 07:30 PM
RE: God does endorse slavery
Arguing with theist over scripture is pointless. They won't admit to the slavery or rape or genocide unless it literally says the words. 'You may rape these women' 'You may enslave these people, you will own them as property'
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04-05-2015, 12:59 AM
RE: God does endorse slavery
(03-05-2015 07:30 PM)Bad Wolf Wrote:  Arguing with theist over scripture is pointless. They won't admit to the slavery or rape or genocide unless it literally says the words. 'You may rape these women' 'You may enslave these people, you will own them as property'

If someone is capable of saying that such clear cut examples of biblical morality aren't wrong then I think one wouldn't have problem with saying that your examples are metaphors/mistakes in translation or whatever.

Numbers 31:17
now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him.

Numbers 31:18
but all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

I think these verses are quite explicit.

The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

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04-05-2015, 06:06 AM
RE: God does endorse slavery
(17-02-2015 02:12 PM)ronb2c Wrote:  Neither Jesus nor the apostle Paul, nor any other Biblical figure is recorded as having made any statement in opposition to the institution of slavery.

Except of course when it came to making slaves of their own kindred, from the same chapter in Leviticus:

"When your kindred with you, having been so reduced to poverty, sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. Rather, let them be like laborers or like your tenants, working with you until the jubilee year." On the Jubilee year they would be set free.

Early Christians were prohibited from taking Christian slaves, because christians were kindred. In England it was illegal to take a Christian as slaves, so attempts to convert slaves to christianity by missionaries were often met with violence.
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04-05-2015, 06:07 AM
RE: God does endorse slavery
Yes but those lines clearly imply rape without actually saying it, that's enough for bible thumpers to rationalise it all away.
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04-05-2015, 06:59 AM
RE: God does endorse slavery
(04-05-2015 06:07 AM)Bad Wolf Wrote:  Yes but those lines clearly imply rape without actually saying it, that's enough for bible thumpers to rationalise it all away.

They would rationalise it regardless I think. Flood is also good example, it's genocide and some still say that it is ok.

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04-05-2015, 10:35 AM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2015 10:45 AM by Tomasia.)
RE: God does endorse slavery
(04-05-2015 06:07 AM)Bad Wolf Wrote:  Yes but those lines clearly imply rape without actually saying it, that's enough for bible thumpers to rationalise it all away.

No, it doesn't clearly imply rape. Why would rape be relegated to virgins, but not non-virgins? It seemed to be the case that the status, was reserved for woman eligible to be married off.

Deut. 21, Further clarifies, this:

"if you see a beautiful woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as a wife,
and so you take her home to your house, she must shave her head,* cut her nails, lay aside her captive’s garb, and stay in your house, mourning her father and mother for a full month. After that, you may come to her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife.

If later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; you must not sell her for money. Do not enslave her, since you have violated her."
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04-05-2015, 11:56 AM
RE: God does endorse slavery
Right, so these women to be married, who has just had their whole families killed by you, would then consentually marry and have sex with you? Think it through....
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04-05-2015, 12:08 PM
RE: God does endorse slavery
(04-05-2015 11:56 AM)Bad Wolf Wrote:  Right, so these women to be married, who has just had their whole families killed by you, would then consentually marry and have sex with you? Think it through....

As opposed to what? Killing them off like the rest of their family? Allowing them to live, but discarded, and unsupported, left to fend for themselves?
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