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29-12-2012, 06:46 PM (This post was last modified: 30-12-2012 03:56 PM by GodlessnFree.)
God is "beyond" science!
I am assuming that the people reading this are smart enough to know that the desert myths are false. I usually have an easy time debunking the anecdotes/ logical fallacies that theists use to prove the existence of a god/ their god.

However, yesterday I was having a conversation with my aunt who unfortunately happens to be a nun and I asked her for evidence for her god. She replied that she didn't need any evidence because it was not a "scientific claim" but rather a claim that is beyond the "realm of science". I asked her then what was her reason(s) to believe in her god, her reply was "faith".

According to her, faith is simply "the way to know the reality beyond science". Then, she said that I was closed to faith because I had been absorbed by the deceit of "scientism". She also claimed that she couldn't explain me her reasons for believing in her god because since I believed in "scientism" my mind was "closed to anything beyond science".

That seems patent bullshit.

Huh

This isn't the first time I find this ridiculous argument. Popular christians of different intellectual capabilities ranging from John Lennox to VenomfangX always try to "debunk" atheism by equating it with "Scientism". Francis Collins said that scientism was a sign of close-mindedness.

Lennox illustrated his criticism of scientism with a metaphor: Aunt Matilda's Cake. The metaphor is often praised among faitheads, I suggest you watch it in case you haven't done so yet. In a nutshell, the metaphor of the cake explains that science can allow us to know the physical properties of the cake (density, weight, volume, material composition) but not the metaphysical properties of it (purpose, maker, proper use). Then the cake is compared to the universe and Lennox claims that the universe also has metaphysical properties that are beyond science and require another way of reasoning in order to be known.


Well, enough of my rambling, I wanted to hear opinions/objections towards this high-sounding but really fallacious argument of "The Limits of Science". The best I got yet is AronRa's brilliant response: "Science may not have all the answers, but some answers are better than no answers at all, and that's what religion gives you".

Cheers.

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God is "beyond" science! - GodlessnFree - 29-12-2012 06:46 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - fstratzero - 29-12-2012, 07:02 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Rahn127 - 30-12-2012, 01:06 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - BioPsychMS - 30-12-2012, 02:03 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - ddrew - 30-12-2012, 02:13 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 30-12-2012, 02:11 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Phaedrus - 30-12-2012, 02:15 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - BioPsychMS - 30-12-2012, 02:34 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - morondog - 30-12-2012, 02:52 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Rahn127 - 30-12-2012, 11:20 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 30-12-2012, 11:24 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - morondog - 30-12-2012, 11:29 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Phaedrus - 30-12-2012, 01:31 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Impulse - 30-12-2012, 01:25 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 30-12-2012, 03:09 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - BioPsychMS - 30-12-2012, 05:52 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 30-12-2012, 03:16 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Phaedrus - 30-12-2012, 04:19 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - fstratzero - 30-12-2012, 07:00 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - fstratzero - 30-12-2012, 03:27 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - fstratzero - 30-12-2012, 03:41 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 30-12-2012, 04:05 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - fstratzero - 30-12-2012, 04:14 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Chas - 30-12-2012, 04:14 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Rahn127 - 30-12-2012, 04:34 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Rahn127 - 30-12-2012, 05:52 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 30-12-2012, 07:27 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - BioPsychMS - 30-12-2012, 08:17 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - amyb - 30-12-2012, 09:20 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Phaedrus - 30-12-2012, 07:56 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 30-12-2012, 08:18 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - BioPsychMS - 30-12-2012, 08:48 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Phaedrus - 30-12-2012, 09:19 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 31-12-2012, 12:50 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Phaedrus - 31-12-2012, 01:08 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 31-12-2012, 01:43 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - kingschosen - 31-12-2012, 02:05 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - morondog - 31-12-2012, 02:23 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Diablo - 31-12-2012, 03:56 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 31-12-2012, 07:46 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Chas - 31-12-2012, 08:02 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - amyb - 31-12-2012, 11:49 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 01-01-2013, 01:54 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - amyb - 01-01-2013, 03:02 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Chas - 01-01-2013, 07:00 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 01-01-2013, 09:01 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Vosur - 01-01-2013, 09:12 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Starcrash - 01-01-2013, 09:43 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Chas - 01-01-2013, 10:09 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Starcrash - 02-01-2013, 10:18 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 01-01-2013, 09:24 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Vosur - 01-01-2013, 09:35 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - amyb - 01-01-2013, 09:28 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 01-01-2013, 10:15 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Rahn127 - 01-01-2013, 11:57 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 01-01-2013, 07:01 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Chas - 01-01-2013, 07:12 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - BioPsychMS - 01-01-2013, 07:20 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Rahn127 - 01-01-2013, 09:34 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - BioPsychMS - 01-01-2013, 09:57 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - fstratzero - 01-01-2013, 10:32 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 01-01-2013, 07:29 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Chas - 01-01-2013, 07:39 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - BioPsychMS - 01-01-2013, 11:28 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - DLJ - 02-01-2013, 03:30 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 02-01-2013, 08:33 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - fstratzero - 05-01-2013, 03:33 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Denicio - 04-01-2013, 12:30 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Luminon - 04-01-2013, 05:01 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - fstratzero - 05-01-2013, 03:52 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 06-01-2013, 10:57 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - fstratzero - 07-01-2013, 12:08 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Starcrash - 07-01-2013, 08:49 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Phaedrus - 07-01-2013, 12:24 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 07-01-2013, 11:27 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - fstratzero - 08-01-2013, 01:41 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Starcrash - 08-01-2013, 08:40 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 08-01-2013, 09:41 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Starcrash - 09-01-2013, 11:19 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - fstratzero - 09-01-2013, 02:25 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - sadetec - 09-01-2013, 09:01 AM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Ghost - 09-01-2013, 02:09 PM
RE: God is "beyond" science! - Starcrash - 09-01-2013, 07:25 PM
Re: God is "beyond" science! - Phaedrus - 09-01-2013, 09:47 PM
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