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15-07-2013, 12:52 PM
RE: God is love? Not in this Universe.
(15-07-2013 12:39 PM)childeye Wrote:  But I have proof. 2-1=1.

Interestingly, Albert Einstein set out to disprove God and instead found E=MC2 and became a believer without a doubt.

lol facts. Who needs 'em?

Thank you for that truly fascinating glimpse into the mind of a madman.

By the way, the more I try to make sense of it, the more your preschool theology sounds like a butchered crib off Hinduism. Except that things like Brahman and the Upanishads have, y'know, actual depth.

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15-07-2013, 12:58 PM
RE: God is love? Not in this Universe.
(15-07-2013 12:39 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(15-07-2013 12:14 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Perhaps someday, he will realize that cooking up explanations and self talk so 1 + 1 can APPEAR to = 2, is not how the universe actually works.
Relativity, Uncertainty and the for example the maths of Paul Dirac are non-intuitive. Trusting what appears to human brains to be logical, with no evidence, is a dead end.
But I have proof. 2-1=1.
Interestingly, Albert Einstein set out to disprove God and instead found E=MC2 and became a believer without a doubt.

Typical theist crapola. Tongue
That must explain why he wrote : 24 March 1954
" It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it".

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Those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music - Friedrich Nietzsche
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15-07-2013, 01:05 PM
RE: God is love? Not in this Universe.
(15-07-2013 12:58 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(15-07-2013 12:39 PM)childeye Wrote:  But I have proof. 2-1=1.
Interestingly, Albert Einstein set out to disprove God and instead found E=MC2 and became a believer without a doubt.

Typical theist crapola. Tongue
That must explain why he wrote : 24 March 1954
" It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it".

I actually bid on I believe that letter he wrote when it came up for auction. Smile

Didn't win...Weeping

It's funny most theists want to throw hitler to the atheists and claim Einstien as theirs.

Unfortunately, that's just not right and once again they have it backward.
But that also comes from just repeating blindly what they've heard others say.


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15-07-2013, 02:04 PM
RE: God is love? Not in this Universe.
(15-07-2013 12:58 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(15-07-2013 12:39 PM)childeye Wrote:  But I have proof. 2-1=1.
Interestingly, Albert Einstein set out to disprove God and instead found E=MC2 and became a believer without a doubt.

Typical theist crapola. Tongue
That must explain why he wrote : 24 March 1954
" It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it".

Albert Einstein on Jesus

"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details." (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p.202)

"In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views.". (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, p. 214)

World's Smartest Man"As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene....No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life." --Albert Einstein

"If one purges the Judaism of the Prophets and Christianity as Jesus Christ taught it of all subsequent additions, especially those of the priests, one is left with a teaching which is capable of curing all the social ills of humanity. It is the duty of every man of good will to strive steadfastly in his own little world to make this teaching of pure humanity a living force, so far as he can. If he makes an honest attempt in this direction without being crushed and trampled under foot by his contemporaries, he may consider himself and the community to which he belongs lucky." -The World as I See It (1935) - Albert Einstein

"Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres." (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 214)

"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but admire even more his contributions to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and the body as one, not two separate things." - As quoted in Glimpses of the Great
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15-07-2013, 02:14 PM
RE: God is love? Not in this Universe.
Great. Any why does this matter ?
Einstein made many mistakes, and was no authority in the field of Philosophy or Theology or Religion.
Any quoting of him on any subject other than Physics is the argumentum ad vericundiam fallacy.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_verecundiam
85 % of the members of the National Academy of Science are atheists.

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15-07-2013, 02:14 PM
RE: God is love? Not in this Universe.
(15-07-2013 02:04 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(15-07-2013 12:58 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Typical theist crapola. Tongue
That must explain why he wrote : 24 March 1954
" It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it".

Albert Einstein on Jesus

"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details." (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p.202)

"In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views.". (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, p. 214)

World's Smartest Man"As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene....No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life." --Albert Einstein

"If one purges the Judaism of the Prophets and Christianity as Jesus Christ taught it of all subsequent additions, especially those of the priests, one is left with a teaching which is capable of curing all the social ills of humanity. It is the duty of every man of good will to strive steadfastly in his own little world to make this teaching of pure humanity a living force, so far as he can. If he makes an honest attempt in this direction without being crushed and trampled under foot by his contemporaries, he may consider himself and the community to which he belongs lucky." -The World as I See It (1935) - Albert Einstein

"Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres." (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 214)

"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but admire even more his contributions to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and the body as one, not two separate things." - As quoted in Glimpses of the Great


Yes those are indeed the quotes he was referring to being taken out of context. Einstein was best described as vaguely Deistic and his best quote as far as his personal feelings on it is "I have no God but Spinoza's God."

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15-07-2013, 02:16 PM
RE: God is love? Not in this Universe.
(15-07-2013 12:52 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(15-07-2013 12:39 PM)childeye Wrote:  But I have proof. 2-1=1.

Interestingly, Albert Einstein set out to disprove God and instead found E=MC2 and became a believer without a doubt.

lol facts. Who needs 'em?

Thank you for that truly fascinating glimpse into the mind of a madman.

By the way, the more I try to make sense of it, the more your preschool theology sounds like a butchered crib off Hinduism. Except that things like Brahman and the Upanishads have, y'know, actual depth.
Just explaining in the simplest terms.
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15-07-2013, 02:17 PM (This post was last modified: 15-07-2013 02:28 PM by childeye.)
RE: God is love? Not in this Universe.
(15-07-2013 02:14 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(15-07-2013 02:04 PM)childeye Wrote:  Albert Einstein on Jesus

"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details." (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p.202)

"In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views.". (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, p. 214)

World's Smartest Man"As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene....No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life." --Albert Einstein

"If one purges the Judaism of the Prophets and Christianity as Jesus Christ taught it of all subsequent additions, especially those of the priests, one is left with a teaching which is capable of curing all the social ills of humanity. It is the duty of every man of good will to strive steadfastly in his own little world to make this teaching of pure humanity a living force, so far as he can. If he makes an honest attempt in this direction without being crushed and trampled under foot by his contemporaries, he may consider himself and the community to which he belongs lucky." -The World as I See It (1935) - Albert Einstein

"Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres." (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 214)

"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but admire even more his contributions to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and the body as one, not two separate things." - As quoted in Glimpses of the Great


Yes those are indeed the quotes he was referring to being taken out of context. Einstein was best described as vaguely Deistic and his best quote as far as his personal feelings on it is "I have no God but Spinoza's God."
Fair enough if not accurate. Whether or not you are correct makes no difference. It still makes my point. He knows what the term "God" means by how he applies it.
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15-07-2013, 02:22 PM
RE: God is love? Not in this Universe.
(15-07-2013 02:17 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(15-07-2013 02:14 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Yes those are indeed the quotes he was referring to being taken out of context. Einstein was best described as vaguely Deistic and his best quote as far as his personal feelings on it is "I have no God but Spinoza's God."
Fair enough. It still nkaes my point. He knows what the term "God" means.

Yes, a now outdated model for the creation of the universe and nothing more. You do not claim to follow the watchmaker god (aka totally non-interventionist) so by agreeing with Einstein you also are stating that you previously claimed statements were in error and you have in fact seen Christianity as a fraud since Yahweh is not Spinoza's god.

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15-07-2013, 02:34 PM (This post was last modified: 15-07-2013 02:43 PM by Apostate.)
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If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. Dodgy
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