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01-09-2012, 09:06 AM
RE: God is not logically possible
Quote:Because the universe and the world and conscious entities within it cannot exist for no reason at all. That existential reason is the first evidence that God exists.

Must have reason? Says who?

It's a circular argument with you believers.
"The universe must have been created at some point by something" but then we ask, "well who created God?", and then you answer "nothing, God has always been there".

It's stupid because what can be said for "god" can be said for say some electron or whatever. "That electron has always been there".

I think this is key "reason". When you accept that there doesn't have to be a reaosn, you'll forget this whole God business.

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01-09-2012, 11:38 AM
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(01-09-2012 09:06 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  [quote]
I think this is key "reason". When you accept that there doesn't have to be a reaosn, you'll forget this whole God business.

To accept that all of existence is from 'no reason' would be to take a step of non-reason. The very thing you accuse Theists of on a daily basis.

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01-09-2012, 11:42 AM
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01-09-2012, 12:41 PM
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In short, we shall find, that God has never manifested himself, but to announce inexplicable mysteries, unintelligible doctrines, ridiculous practices; to throw the human mind into fear, distrust, perplexity, and above all, to furnish a never-failing source of dispute to mortals.

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01-09-2012, 01:17 PM
RE: God is not logically possible
(01-09-2012 12:41 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  In short, we shall find, that God has never manifested himself, but to announce inexplicable mysteries, unintelligible doctrines, ridiculous practices; to throw the human mind into fear, distrust, perplexity, and above all, to furnish a never-failing source of dispute to mortals.

Disputes is'nt just caused by religion, we're mostly all athiest/agnostic here, we dispute all the time. In the absence of religion, ego will do just fine to make humans act like dicks Smile Where religion is dangerous, is that it demands absolutes, but again there are plenty here who are absolutist. Its lack of empathy, toleration or just not caring enough that'll keep us at each others throats.

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01-09-2012, 01:22 PM
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(01-09-2012 11:38 AM)ideasonscribe Wrote:  [quote='earmuffs' pid='161564' dateline='1346512012']
Quote:I think this is key "reason". When you accept that there doesn't have to be a reaosn, you'll forget this whole God business.

To accept that all of existence is from 'no reason' would be to take a step of non-reason. The very thing you accuse Theists of on a daily basis.

I am not sure what you mean by 'no reason'.
The idea that the universe exists without purpose is not unreasonable. In fact, it looks exactly like that.

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01-09-2012, 01:24 PM
RE: God is not logically possible
(01-09-2012 01:17 PM)Humakt Wrote:  
(01-09-2012 12:41 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  In short, we shall find, that God has never manifested himself, but to announce inexplicable mysteries, unintelligible doctrines, ridiculous practices; to throw the human mind into fear, distrust, perplexity, and above all, to furnish a never-failing source of dispute to mortals.

Disputes is'nt just caused by religion, we're mostly all athiest/agnostic here, we dispute all the time. In the absence of religion, ego will do just fine to make humans act like dicks Smile Where religion is dangerous, is that it demands absolutes, but again there are plenty here who are absolutist. Its lack of empathy, toleration or just not caring enough that'll keep us at each others throats.

Religion just seems particularly good at greasing the wheels of unreason, intolerance, absolutism, and hate.

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01-09-2012, 01:27 PM
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Fuck Chas you're on fire today.

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01-09-2012, 01:36 PM (This post was last modified: 01-09-2012 01:41 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: God is not logically possible
(01-09-2012 11:38 AM)ideasonscribe Wrote:  To accept that all of existence is from 'no reason' would be to take a step of non-reason. The very thing you accuse Theists of on a daily basis.

So, are you proposing there is a third (neutral), possibility ?

A reason, many reasons, some reasons, no reason, good reason, bad reason, what ?

The more correct word is "motivation".
There can be no motivation if there is no one motivated. That would imply a creator.

The theist idea "well did this all just come about for no reason", is an Argument from Ignorance, and God of the gaps. You also assume YOU know the reason. What if there is a reason, and you don't know it, (yet) ? You're only interested if it's your reason.

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01-09-2012, 01:51 PM
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(01-09-2012 01:24 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(01-09-2012 01:17 PM)Humakt Wrote:  Disputes is'nt just caused by religion, we're mostly all athiest/agnostic here, we dispute all the time. In the absence of religion, ego will do just fine to make humans act like dicks Smile Where religion is dangerous, is that it demands absolutes, but again there are plenty here who are absolutist. Its lack of empathy, toleration or just not caring enough that'll keep us at each others throats.

Religion just seems particularly good at greasing the wheels of unreason, intolerance, absolutism, and hate.

Sure, but Kirk or Picard?

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