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28-02-2015, 11:12 AM
RE: "God is self-existent"
(28-02-2015 10:23 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(28-02-2015 09:39 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Who caused god?
If nobody can cause god and universe can't cause itself then why does universe exist?

Why do you insist on a cause? Or, more precisely, why do you insist on a cause that you can understand?

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28-02-2015, 11:29 AM
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(28-02-2015 11:06 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Leprechauns that are responsible for god which created the universe.

Turtles are responsible for the leprechauns though.

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28-02-2015, 11:32 AM
RE: "God is self-existent"
(28-02-2015 11:12 AM)Chas Wrote:  Why do you insist on a cause?
How can something exist without cause?
Quote:Or, more precisely, why do you insist on a cause that you can understand?
If humanity can't understand cause why can't it be God?
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28-02-2015, 11:34 AM
RE: "God is self-existent"
(28-02-2015 11:32 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(28-02-2015 11:12 AM)Chas Wrote:  Why do you insist on a cause?
How can something exist without cause?
Quote:Or, more precisely, why do you insist on a cause that you can understand?
If humanity can't understand cause why can't it be God?

God is the term we use for our ignorance.

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28-02-2015, 11:36 AM
RE: "God is self-existent"
(28-02-2015 11:32 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(28-02-2015 11:12 AM)Chas Wrote:  Why do you insist on a cause?
How can something exist without cause?

By being eternal? By being an incarnation of a previously existing thing?

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Quote:Or, more precisely, why do you insist on a cause that you can understand?
If humanity can't understand cause why can't it be God?

No one has said it can't be. However, that gives rise to the problem of what caused God. So, not a solution.

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28-02-2015, 11:42 AM
RE: "God is self-existent"
(28-02-2015 11:36 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(28-02-2015 11:32 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  How can something exist without cause?

By being eternal?
1 There is no evidence that universe is eternal
2 even if it's eternal why is there something rather than nothing?
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28-02-2015, 11:44 AM
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(28-02-2015 11:32 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  How can something exist ...

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28-02-2015, 11:44 AM
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(28-02-2015 11:36 AM)Chas Wrote:  However, that gives rise to the problem of what caused God. So, not a solution.
and again
Quote:If nobody can cause god and universe can't cause itself then why does universe exist?
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28-02-2015, 11:46 AM
RE: "God is self-existent"
(28-02-2015 11:42 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(28-02-2015 11:36 AM)Chas Wrote:  By being eternal?
1 There is no evidence that universe is eternal
2 even if it's eternal why is there something rather than nothing?

Why would a god be an explanation for any of it?

And since Genesis is derived from Sumerian myth, why wouldn't that god be Enlil?

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28-02-2015, 11:50 AM
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(28-02-2015 10:23 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  If nobody can cause god and universe can't cause itself then why does universe exist?

There is scant evidence it does. Drinking Beverage

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