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28-02-2015, 12:11 PM
RE: "God is self-existent"
Why is there something rather than nothing ?

If there was nothing, you wouldn't be able to ask that question.

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28-02-2015, 12:20 PM
RE: "God is self-existent"
(28-02-2015 12:11 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Why is there something rather than nothing ?

If there was nothing, you wouldn't be able to ask that question.
Atheists always ignore this fundamental question.
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28-02-2015, 12:49 PM
RE: "God is self-existent"
(28-02-2015 12:20 PM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(28-02-2015 12:11 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Why is there something rather than nothing ?

If there was nothing, you wouldn't be able to ask that question.
Atheists always ignore this fundamental question.

And theists don't give a plausible answer.

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28-02-2015, 06:48 PM
RE: "God is self-existent"
(28-02-2015 11:42 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(28-02-2015 11:36 AM)Chas Wrote:  By being eternal?
1 There is no evidence that universe is eternal
2 even if it's eternal why is there something rather than nothing?

Nothing is unstable. I suggest you read A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing by Lawrence Krauss, PhD.

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28-02-2015, 06:50 PM
RE: "God is self-existent"
(28-02-2015 12:20 PM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(28-02-2015 12:11 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Why is there something rather than nothing ?

If there was nothing, you wouldn't be able to ask that question.
Atheists always ignore this fundamental question.

No, physicists (most of whom are atheists) are working on it. We don't yet have an answer, but rational people don't therefore just make shit up.

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28-02-2015, 11:11 PM
RE: "God is self-existent"
I happen to think the idea of a "before" the universe is silly. I tend to think it was eternal, closing on a limiting value. Because I like calculus. And some of the data seems to back this up.

And the something rather than nothing is a non-starter. It assumes that this universe was a desired or aimed-at outcome. But this might not be the case. We might just be lucky. Hell, we know that we are lucky in our existence. Why not add a bit more to it? And if the theist believes that this is an aimed-at end then the burden of proof is on them, since they are making a positive claim.
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01-03-2015, 12:51 AM
RE: "God is self-existent"
Why don't I know why there is something rather than nothing ?

Because I don't know what I don't know.

I can't explain it. I don't understand it.

But you, you can't deal with that. It irks you so much that you have to fill that gap, like a bandaid over a paper cut. You don't want to deal with reality, so you invent a fantasy.

Why are there only invented gods instead of real ones ?

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02-03-2015, 03:05 PM
RE: "God is self-existent"
(27-02-2015 11:27 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-02-2015 10:52 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  1. I apologize for misspelling your name.

2. I predicted you would accuse me of being passive-aggressive.

3. I predicted you would hurl invective at me.

4. You are continuing to reestablish my credentials as a prophet.

5. Of course I can parse your claim. You do not believe in any gods because you insist there is no evidence of any gods rather than the far more correct, "Millions have cited diverse evidence for god(s) but I personally I, Chas, have never encountered god. Also, I've been researching claims and so far, find each one I've researched to be specious." But claiming there is "no evidence" is a stretch--that is--almost every person on Earth, including numerous agnostic atheists, might challenge you.

Once again - present your evidence. Your continual failure to do so is telling.

I have continually offered sources, citations, peer reviewed work, as well as apologetics and philosophical statements. You have a confirmatory bias.

I'm told atheists on forums like TTA are bitter and angry. If you are not, your posts to me will be respectful, insightful and thoughtful. Prove me wrong by your adherence to decent behavior.
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02-03-2015, 04:28 PM
RE: "God is self-existent"
Man... this type of question sure is coming up a lot.

I go into detail why these types of questions cannot be fully answered here (read through the thread for more info).

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02-03-2015, 04:38 PM (This post was last modified: 02-03-2015 04:41 PM by Chas.)
RE: "God is self-existent"
(02-03-2015 03:05 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(27-02-2015 11:27 AM)Chas Wrote:  Once again - present your evidence. Your continual failure to do so is telling.

I have continually offered sources, citations, peer reviewed work, as well as apologetics and philosophical statements. You have a confirmatory bias.

You seriously believe you have done that? You haven't - you are seriously delusional.

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