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05-02-2014, 04:29 PM
God or Government?
I had something I was thinking about this morning and wanted to run it by the people here and see what they may think. I apologize if this is not the right place for a thread of this nature, so mods, please move if need be.

I have observed an interesting phenomenon in people when it comes to how they feel about religion and the role of government. I think most people here have noticed that people who tend to advocate for small government like conservatives, Republicans, and to a lesser extent Libertarians tend to be the group of people that are most religious.

I have also observed that a majority of the people that I have come in contact with that are atheist, tend to advocate for government to have a larger role in life. They tend to be liberal, Democrats, socialist etc etc.

So I started to ask myself, why is this? My initial feeling is that people feel the need to have something or someone who they perceive as powerful and good to watch over them, and make them feel safe and taken care of. An atheist does not believe in any sort of spiritual or higher power watching over them and taking care of the perceived problems they see in the world, so they turn their attention to the state to be the authority for good. In a sense, they replace god with government. Opposite that are advocates of small government policies like conservatives, who reject role of government in mingling in the economic and daily affairs of peoples lives, but have faith that the lord is the authority taking care of the problems they perceive to be going on.

Has anybody else observed or thought about this? What is your opinion?
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05-02-2014, 04:53 PM (This post was last modified: 05-02-2014 05:52 PM by PoolBoyG.)
RE: God or Government?
The people labeled "conservatives" in the US are the ones for "big government".

They want the government to give more money to defense contractors, to fossil fuel companies, to banks. They want to crush protestors. They want a greater police state - spying and detaining the majority. They want the government to tell women what to do with their bodies, what people can or can't do in their bedrooms, what people can't use recreationally.

Think of the left and right spectrum in terms of your hands.
The left is generally weak. It's open handed and inviting - taking care of the most people. Making sure people have basic needs met, and resources to do more. And leaving it at that.
The right is generally strong. It's a tight fist - that caters to only a few and is destructive. Making sure the most powerful become more powerful at the expense of everyone else. And it projects itself globally.

We see a dismantling of knowledge and safety nets because it benefits only them. Having people more impoverished and stupid, while becoming more powerful for themselves is their goal.
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05-02-2014, 04:58 PM
RE: God or Government?
I think you make a fair point about the current state of conservatives. Today's Republican conservative in America has turned into a big government party, contributing to the military industrial complex, the drug war etc etc. In theory, conservatives are supposed to be for smaller forms of government. Now, today's Republicans, although very socially conservative do talk a lot of game about small government, especially when it comes to economic affairs, whether or not they back up the talk is a separate issue. Libertarians as well are most assuredly for small government in pretty much every aspect of life. Now whether or not conservatives back it up or not, they advocate small government policies economically, and libertarians do so in all aspects of public policy, and these people are generally the most religious among us.
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05-02-2014, 05:23 PM
RE: God or Government?
I'm an atheist, and I'd love a much smaller, less involved government. I won't be much fun for your thread though, I rarely debate religion, let alone politics Wink just thought I'd give you my two cents

Edit: ok, I can add a bit more. I don't want anyone's religious OR political agenda/beliefs/leanings pushed on me is the bottom line. Leave me the fuck alone, and I'll return the favor lol
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05-02-2014, 05:34 PM
RE: God or Government?
Interesting take. I share your view as well (at least the part about less involved government and am an atheist). However, I have not come across many people who hold those two beliefs at the same time. I have quite a few friends who are atheist, but only one of those would not classify themselves as "liberal" or Democrat. I also have a few friends who are advocates of smaller government who are deeply religious. So, I don't come into contact with many people like you and I.
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05-02-2014, 05:49 PM
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Quote:So I started to ask myself, why is this?

It isn't. These religious right shitwits are perfectly willing to use government to enforce their views on others if given the chance.

They merely have different targets.

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05-02-2014, 06:23 PM
RE: God or Government?
I think a lot of people are not understanding the groups I am talking about here. I realize there is a faction of the conservative right who, while they might claim to be small government, are all too willing to use big government to enforce moral behavior and to wage war. That being said, that is not the exact faction I am talking about. I am talking about the true small government conservatives and people like libertarians. You could also group religious conservatives in this group when it comes to their political views on economics. They are advocate of less government intervention in economics, while liberals typically favor more intervention in economic affairs.
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05-02-2014, 07:21 PM
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Quote:I am talking about the true small government conservatives and people like libertarians.


Like Bigfoot, they are often reported but seldom seen.

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05-02-2014, 07:34 PM
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I disagree, as a Libertarian/Classical Liberal myself, I have friends that are as well and follow many pages on facebook that confirm they are real.

A recent example of this was a page ran under the name "Libertarian Girl" was commenting on the Nye Vs Ham debate, which sparked a lot of outrage from Christian Libertarians in the comments.
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05-02-2014, 10:02 PM
RE: God or Government?
If you are a real libertarian....and not just a republican who wants to get stoned... then you are a rare bird, indeed.

I assume you voted for Gary Johnson in 2012?

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