God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
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13-02-2013, 03:12 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
(13-02-2013 02:50 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(13-02-2013 02:35 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  God exists out of time so He can subvert even that, and go back in time to lift the rock in an earlier state when it was still not too heavy to lift, so the answer is still, No.
Again you make unsupported statements. Again you revert to special pleading.

What does it mean to 'exist out of time'?


I assume he means to imply that god is outside of the of time. But that would require It to be outside space as well (because space is subject to time, as we know), which would mean IT is in odd timeless universe, that is certainly not our universe.


My conclusion: God is not in this universe, and as such cannot affect it. This explains the lack of any active god.

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13-02-2013, 03:15 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
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13-02-2013, 03:19 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
(13-02-2013 02:50 PM)Chas Wrote:  ...
What does it mean to 'exist out of time'?

Like you don't know! Pah!

Of course it means nothing. Existence requires time.




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13-02-2013, 03:22 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
Quote:I assume he means to imply that god is outside of the of time. But that would require It to be outside space as well (because space is subject to time, as we know), which would mean IT is in odd timeless universe, that is certainly not our universe.
I see. FT, please describe your understanding of time before the Big Bang. Ready, set, go!
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13-02-2013, 04:39 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
(13-02-2013 03:22 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:I assume he means to imply that god is outside of the of time. But that would require It to be outside space as well (because space is subject to time, as we know), which would mean IT is in odd timeless universe, that is certainly not our universe.
I see. FT, please describe your understanding of time before the Big Bang. Ready, set, go!
Well this question wasnt for me....but

Time and space are the same thing. Before there was a big bang, there was no space and time, so if there was no time there was no way a god could do anything.

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13-02-2013, 04:52 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
(12-02-2013 06:37 PM)hedgehog648 Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 06:26 PM)Luminon Wrote:  The heavy rock paradox makes no sense, because:
- At a certain size the rock will have a greater mass than Earth itself, therefore the rock will "lose weight" and will attract Earth instead.
- At a certain size the rock will become so massive, that it will collapse under its own weight into a black hole, in which further questions are meaningless, as no information can escape the black hole.
The rock is not the point. You can safely assume that it's mass can increase to infinity without collapsing since it is not a literal model.
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14-02-2013, 07:43 AM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
Quote:Time and space are the same thing. Before there was a big bang, there was no space and time, so if there was no time there was no way a god could do anything.
Yes, that makes total sense since we know there's only one universe and four dimensions. You did it!
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14-02-2013, 10:14 AM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
(14-02-2013 07:43 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:Time and space are the same thing. Before there was a big bang, there was no space and time, so if there was no time there was no way a god could do anything.
Yes, that makes total sense since we know there's only one universe and four dimensions. You did it!


We actually DO NOT know that. It is known that we exist in at least 4 dimensions, but there could be others we are currently unable to perceive. Likewise there might be other universes, we don't know for sure, but some of the worlds smartest physicists have shown how the math supports extra dimensions and possibly a multiverse. However I strongly suggest you leave that field of study to those who understand it. Maybe you can give it a shot once you get your big boy pants on after you manage to figure out the far simpler concepts of evolution and natural selection.

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14-02-2013, 10:38 AM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
Quote:We actually DO NOT know that. It is known that we exist in at least 4 dimensions, but there could be others we are currently unable to perceive. Likewise there might be other universes, we don't know for sure, but some of the worlds smartest physicists have shown how the math supports extra dimensions and possibly a multiverse. However I strongly suggest you leave that field of study to those who understand it. Maybe you can give it a shot once you get your big boy pants on after you manage to figure out the far simpler concepts of evolution and natural selection.
I'd suggest you study sarcasm in response. My "you did it" was sarcastic. A possible multiverse would be one of several obvious explanations as to how God could operate outside/before a big bang.
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14-02-2013, 12:15 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
(14-02-2013 10:38 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:We actually DO NOT know that. It is known that we exist in at least 4 dimensions, but there could be others we are currently unable to perceive. Likewise there might be other universes, we don't know for sure, but some of the worlds smartest physicists have shown how the math supports extra dimensions and possibly a multiverse. However I strongly suggest you leave that field of study to those who understand it. Maybe you can give it a shot once you get your big boy pants on after you manage to figure out the far simpler concepts of evolution and natural selection.
I'd suggest you study sarcasm in response. My "you did it" was sarcastic. A possible multiverse would be one of several obvious explanations as to how God could operate outside/before a big bang.

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