God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
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25-02-2013, 03:15 PM
RE: AW: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
(25-02-2013 02:18 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(25-02-2013 12:12 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  It is special pleading because Catholics need their own special definition of 'omnipotent' specifically to rectify the problems the word causes when attributed to their God. The definition of 'omnipotent' ONLY changes, and acquires the special caveat of logical restrictions, when applied to Yahweh. Catholics need a special version just for them. THAT is special pleading, for fuck's sake...
Its not just 1 billion Catholics. Many other theists will claim that it is impossible for God to do something against his nature. For instance it would be impossible for God to sin.
You are making an error of conflating multiple definitions for a particular word with the changing of a definition of a particular word.


Argument ad populum gets you nowhere. I gave you 3 cited definitions for Omnipotenece, none of them had caveats for being limited by knowledge. You gave one definition, not cited, but instead claimed that 1 billion Catholics all agree with your definition. Your point? Do you really think those 1 billion have even given any thought to this paradox? To your special definition? Studies suggest that less than 10% of those claiming to be Christian have actually read the fucking Bible, and you're going to throw out a Catholic specific definition of omnipotence out at me? If 1 billion people thought the world was flat, that would not make it so; that just means 1 billion people are mistaken.

Please try harder, that's two logical fallacies in a row...

Also, your God, if he existed, regularly sins. But I'm guessing that ordering the slaughter, pillage, and rape of entire cities is somehow exempt from that whole 'thou shall not kill' business. Because heaven forbid, we read the book for what is actually written, without making bullshit excuses for every time God fucks up...

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25-02-2013, 03:30 PM
RE: AW: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
(25-02-2013 03:15 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Also, your God, if he existed, regularly sins. But I'm guessing that ordering the slaughter, pillage, and rape of entire cities is somehow exempt from that whole 'thou shall not kill' business. Because heaven forbid, we read the book for what is actually written, without making bullshit excuses for every time God fucks up...


Well of course God does that, but it's only because he wants to protect the helpless woman and children by having them taken away to the camps of believers, or sent to gods front door.

Remember, God is only the biggest purported mass murderer in all human literary history because He can't bare to see people live in long extended agony, and would rather it all cut short.

Jesus loves the little zygotes, all the zygotes of the world. Jesus loves till their born, then abandons them forlorn. Scientists and unbelievers wiped the pox right off the earth, Jesus still gives gifts to the little kids; Broken nose and burnt eyelids, but he cannot give them smallpox any more.

Oh wait... That little ditty does not support my parody at all!

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25-02-2013, 03:47 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
Quote:If you think that murdering and commanding the murder of innocent children is an act of love or great care, you probably belong into a mental hospital.
You ducked my point, that Hitler could be loving for all you know from a naturalist's perspective. He certainly is doing nothing wrong from an Evolutionary standpoint.
Millions of god believers of all religions don't blame God for taking the life of a child. This is not a perfect world--but children go to Heaven. Millions know this.
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25-02-2013, 03:51 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
(25-02-2013 03:47 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:If you think that murdering and commanding the murder of innocent children is an act of love or great care, you probably belong into a mental hospital.
You ducked my point, that Hitler could be loving for all you know from a naturalist's perspective. He certainly is doing nothing wrong from an Evolutionary standpoint.
Millions of god believers of all religions don't blame God for taking the life of a child. This is not a perfect world--but children go to Heaven. Millions know this.

No, millions believe this; no one knows this.

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25-02-2013, 03:56 PM (This post was last modified: 25-02-2013 11:16 PM by Free Thought.)
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
(25-02-2013 03:47 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:If you think that murdering and commanding the murder of innocent children is an act of love or great care, you probably belong into a mental hospital.
You ducked my point, that Hitler could be loving for all you know from a naturalist's perspective. He certainly is doing nothing wrong from an Evolutionary standpoint.
Millions of god believers of all religions don't blame God for taking the life of a child. This is not a perfect world--but children go to Heaven. Millions know this.


Congratulations, you have just made one of the most obvious and expected argument ever which is aptly named: Hitler.

I don't know if you know, but Hitler did not even believe in evolution and he banned Darwin's books and anything which questioned or ridiculed God. He practised Eugenics as opposed to evolution.

Causing the slaughter if your own group is suicide for your group from an evolutionary standpoint, it weakens your group and decreases genetic diversity..

Eugenics on the other hand, encourages it by the removal of unwanted elements.

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25-02-2013, 11:38 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
The universe is like a rock.
It cant be lifted if there is no ''up'' or ''down''.
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25-02-2013, 11:40 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
God could turn Himself into a rock.
Then irresistable force would meet immovable object.
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25-02-2013, 11:43 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
God could make a rock then will Himself out of existence leaving only the rock. (It is metaphysically plausible for an omnipotent being to commit suicide.)
He then couldnt lift it because He would no longer exist.
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25-02-2013, 11:45 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
(25-02-2013 11:40 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:  God could turn Himself into a rock.
Then irresistable force would meet immovable object.

Goddamnit, somebody find one of the orderlies to grab Pussycat here and put him back in his room, before he vomits all over one of the other patients...

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25-02-2013, 11:48 PM
RE: God's Omnipotence - The heavy rock paradox
WOW
Thats 3 different resolutions to the so-called paradox.
And all I needed to do was think creatively - just like the people who invented the imaginary paradox in the first place.

Any paradox which can be dreamed up can be just as easily resolved.
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