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09-04-2016, 04:08 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
(09-04-2016 12:48 PM)Matheism Wrote:  Those who believe and do not mix True Premises with False Premises, they will have security, and they are guided. (6.82)

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Edit: the reason for adopting premises from the Quran for this argument.

Unsupported assertion. Try harder. Drinking Beverage

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09-04-2016, 04:12 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
(09-04-2016 04:07 PM)Matheism Wrote:  Religious people...

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09-04-2016, 04:13 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
(09-04-2016 03:02 PM)Matheism Wrote:  My argument is quite simple:

Truth has no religion.

A. True, or

B. False.

This is a ridiculous question.

Banana has no Religion.

True or False?

Since it is false that proves that Banana made all other Gods into one God.

I think the problem is you're haveing trouble portraying a sound argument. I'll give you a grid to to work off of.

Normaly when one is trying to come up with a sound argument You get a number or premises that add up to a conclustion.

So like Premise 1 + Premise 2 = Conclustion

You can have as many premises as you'd like as long as they add up to a conclustion.

An example of a Deductive Argument

Premise 1: All Humans are mortal.
Premise 2: CommonSensei Is a human
Conclusion: Commonsensei is Mortal.

This is a Valid argument.

Now the truth of the premise must lead to the truth of the conclusion.

Premise 1: All humans are mortal.
Premise 2: Commonsensei is mortal
Conclusion: Commonsensei's 1st grade teacher was Ms. Banani

This argument is invalid because the premises don't add up to the conclustion. Nothing about human mortality would add up to Sensei's teacher being.
But the conclustion is not nesseraly false. I just doesn't have anything pertaing to the topic. Truth doesn't nesserly equal Validity.

Premise 1: All cats are mammals.
Premise 2: I'm a Mammal.
Conclusion: I'm a Cat

This is an invalid argument. Because the conclusion doesn't include enough premises. It is true the all cat's are mammals but not all mammals are cats.

So let's apply this to your argument

Premise 1: There are no gods.
Premise 2: Truth is God.
Premise 3: Truth made all gods one.
Conclusion: ? Fight Club?

Your original premise invalidates any premise that you have that follows.

I also get the distinction that you don't understand what Atheism means. From what little I gathered you think it means a denial of a religion. Not so it a disbelief in Gods. So if you called yourself one even if you just moving the title to another word it doesn't have any substance. You're basically speaking nonsense.

All we ask is for some clearer premises and maybe a conclusion? Just repeating the same lines over and over again isn't getting us anywhere. And although I enjoy fight club I don't think it's pertaining to your argument.

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09-04-2016, 04:14 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
(09-04-2016 04:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  Unsupported assertion. Try harder. Drinking Beverage

He made all gods one god.

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09-04-2016, 04:17 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
(09-04-2016 04:13 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  I also get the distinction that you don't understand what Atheism means.

I do...

The Dogma of Atheism

Atheism is the ultimate form of denial of the Parental "God". Atheism is not founded on real observation of the ultimate facts of the universe. Rather, it is a kind of adolescent development of the human species.

What characterizes the doctrine (or dogma) of atheism is not a discovery that there is no "God", but a refusal to acknowledge every kind of parent (or parent-like authority), including (therefore) the Parental "God" of childish "religion".

Atheism (or the conception that no "Creator-God" — or any other Greater Reality — exists) has always opposed theism (or "God-religion"). Nevertheless, atheistic ideas are the product of the same fundamental egoic consciousness that otherwise produces theistic (or conventional "religious") ideas.

Atheism is the product of the ego (or the phenomenal "self", grounded in elemental perception), and so also is theism. Atheism, like exoteric "God-religion", extends itself only into the domain of the first three stages of life — whereas esoteric "God-religion" provides a means for entering, mystically and Spiritually, into the developmental processes of the fourth stage of life and the fifth stage of life.

Atheism regularly proposes a "logic" of life that has its own dogmatic features. It does not propose a "God"-idea but, instead, founds itself on and in the perceptual and phenomenal mind alone.

Atheism concedes only a universal and ultimately indifferent (or merely lawful) cosmic Nature (not a "God") — and, so, there is no need to create a "religious creation-myth" to account for suffering. (And atheistic thinkers thus generally confine themselves to constructing a cosmology, based on material observations alone, that merely accounts for the apparent workings of the conditionally manifested events of cosmic Nature.)

Indeed, just as conventional "God-religion" (or conventional theism) arises to account for suffering, atheism arises on the basis of the unreserved acknowledgment of suffering. And, if there is no idea of "God", there is no idea of the human being as "creature" (or, in other words, the human being as the bearer of an immortal, or "God-like", "inner" part). Nor is there any need to interpret unfortunate or painful events as the "effects" of "Evil".

Therefore, the atheistic "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "realism", just as the conventional "religious" (or theistic) "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "idealism" — but both atheism and theism arise on the basis of the "self"-contraction (or the ego of phenomenal "self"-consciousness), rather than on the basis of direct Intuition of the Real Self-Nature, Self-Condition, and Self-State That is Prior to separate "self" and its conventions of perception and thought.

The realistic (or atheistic) view is just as much the bearer of a myth (or a merely conceptual interpretation of the "world") as is the conventional "religious" (or theistic) view. Atheism (or conventional realism) is a state of mind which is based in the phenomenal "self" and which seeks the ultimate protection, nourishment, pleasure, and preservation of the phenomenal "self" (at least in this "world" and, if there should be an after-life, then also in any other "world").

Therefore, atheism (or conventional realism) is simply a philosophical alternative to theism (or conventional "God-religion"), based on the same principle and consciousness (which is the phenomenal ego), and seeking (by alternative means) to fulfill the conditionally manifested "self" and relieve it of its suffering.
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09-04-2016, 04:22 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
Even Eliza figured this troll out...

> Hello, I am Eliza.
* truth has no religion
> Why not?
* he made all gods into one god
> Say, do you have any psychological problems?

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09-04-2016, 04:25 PM (This post was last modified: 09-04-2016 04:44 PM by carol.)
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
Where he got his cut and paste:
http://www.adidam.org/teaching/aletheon/dogma-atheism

Do not cut and paste walls of nonsense.

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09-04-2016, 04:26 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
(09-04-2016 04:17 PM)Matheism Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 04:13 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  I also get the distinction that you don't understand what Atheism means.

I do...

The Dogma of Atheism
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What a load of complete and utter horseshit. Atheism is the position that theism has not met the burden of proof of the claims it has made. Period. You have no clue what you are talking about and neither does whoever wrote that drivel.

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09-04-2016, 04:27 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
do what you like... Smile
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09-04-2016, 04:28 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
(09-04-2016 04:13 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  So let's apply this to your argument

Premise 1: There are no gods.
Premise 2: Truth is God.
Premise 3: Truth made all gods one.
Conclusion: ? Fight Club?

not my argument, refer here...
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