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09-04-2016, 05:13 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
(09-04-2016 05:03 PM)carol Wrote:  Do you hold any thoughts of your own, or are you so full of quotes that there is nothing left in you?

Truth has no religion.
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09-04-2016, 05:16 PM (This post was last modified: 09-04-2016 06:22 PM by carol.)
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
(09-04-2016 05:13 PM)Matheism Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 05:03 PM)carol Wrote:  Do you hold any thoughts of your own, or are you so full of quotes that there is nothing left in you?

Truth has no religion.

"Religion has no truth."
"Truth has no religion"
Spam and nonsense.
You are wasting some of your precious time and your life believing that you have found some 'truth". Instead, you are trying to fit your mind around nonsense and your "truth" is limiting your own ability to think clearly. You have not even been able to communicate clearly. You do not understand atheism, and have attempted to use a cut and paste from Avitar Adi Da Samraj, you are just an Adidam cult member. Learn to think for yourself.

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09-04-2016, 05:17 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
(09-04-2016 05:16 PM)carol Wrote:  Religion has no truth.

True.
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09-04-2016, 05:21 PM
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09-04-2016, 05:54 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
(09-04-2016 04:17 PM)Matheism Wrote:  
(09-04-2016 04:13 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  I also get the distinction that you don't understand what Atheism means.

I do...

The Dogma of Atheism

Atheism is the ultimate form of denial of the Parental "God". Atheism is not founded on real observation of the ultimate facts of the universe. Rather, it is a kind of adolescent development of the human species.

What characterizes the doctrine (or dogma) of atheism is not a discovery that there is no "God", but a refusal to acknowledge every kind of parent (or parent-like authority), including (therefore) the Parental "God" of childish "religion".

Atheism (or the conception that no "Creator-God" — or any other Greater Reality — exists) has always opposed theism (or "God-religion"). Nevertheless, atheistic ideas are the product of the same fundamental egoic consciousness that otherwise produces theistic (or conventional "religious") ideas.

Atheism is the product of the ego (or the phenomenal "self", grounded in elemental perception), and so also is theism. Atheism, like exoteric "God-religion", extends itself only into the domain of the first three stages of life — whereas esoteric "God-religion" provides a means for entering, mystically and Spiritually, into the developmental processes of the fourth stage of life and the fifth stage of life.

Atheism regularly proposes a "logic" of life that has its own dogmatic features. It does not propose a "God"-idea but, instead, founds itself on and in the perceptual and phenomenal mind alone.

Atheism concedes only a universal and ultimately indifferent (or merely lawful) cosmic Nature (not a "God") — and, so, there is no need to create a "religious creation-myth" to account for suffering. (And atheistic thinkers thus generally confine themselves to constructing a cosmology, based on material observations alone, that merely accounts for the apparent workings of the conditionally manifested events of cosmic Nature.)

Indeed, just as conventional "God-religion" (or conventional theism) arises to account for suffering, atheism arises on the basis of the unreserved acknowledgment of suffering. And, if there is no idea of "God", there is no idea of the human being as "creature" (or, in other words, the human being as the bearer of an immortal, or "God-like", "inner" part). Nor is there any need to interpret unfortunate or painful events as the "effects" of "Evil".

Therefore, the atheistic "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "realism", just as the conventional "religious" (or theistic) "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "idealism" — but both atheism and theism arise on the basis of the "self"-contraction (or the ego of phenomenal "self"-consciousness), rather than on the basis of direct Intuition of the Real Self-Nature, Self-Condition, and Self-State That is Prior to separate "self" and its conventions of perception and thought.

The realistic (or atheistic) view is just as much the bearer of a myth (or a merely conceptual interpretation of the "world") as is the conventional "religious" (or theistic) view. Atheism (or conventional realism) is a state of mind which is based in the phenomenal "self" and which seeks the ultimate protection, nourishment, pleasure, and preservation of the phenomenal "self" (at least in this "world" and, if there should be an after-life, then also in any other "world").

Therefore, atheism (or conventional realism) is simply a philosophical alternative to theism (or conventional "God-religion"), based on the same principle and consciousness (which is the phenomenal ego), and seeking (by alternative means) to fulfill the conditionally manifested "self" and relieve it of its suffering.

Wrong. 100 % wrong. Atheism is the absence of something. YOu don't get to tell people how they think, you fool.

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09-04-2016, 05:59 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
Hello again! Big Grin

Wow! I toddle off to sleep and come back to find a huge amount of posts.

Sorry for not being able to really keep up with the flow.

So! Going back to the beginning, kind of:

(09-04-2016 10:18 AM)Matheism Wrote:  The premise is "truth has no religion."

Quote:He made all gods one god. (38.5)

True or false?

If false, why? Drinking Beverage

In answer to the above I reply: "False"

Because => "The premise is 'Truth has no religion'." =/= "He made all gods one god."

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09-04-2016, 06:04 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
If truth has no religion then
Religion is not solely truth.

If religion were solely truth then religion would have no religion.
This is false as it is self-contradictory and patently absurd.

At best, religion is a mix of truth and untruth,
The untruth being the component that has religion.
At worst religion is entirely untruth.

Regardless, it is simpler to stick with the truth than to mire one's epistemology with the untruths that religion requires.

For future reference, this is what an argument looks like. It would be a fairly damning one against religion if the initial premise were more sound than a house of cards in the bed of a moving pickup truck.

In the meantime, have fun picking the pepper of truth out of the flyshit of religion.

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09-04-2016, 06:06 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
I haven't had this much spam in a long time.

Matheist, how about actually defining your terms and presenting an argument? We're nearly 200 posts into this thread and you have yet to say anything of substance.

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09-04-2016, 06:12 PM (This post was last modified: 09-04-2016 06:16 PM by Matheism.)
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
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DIN—this word has been used in various contexts, among them being ascendancy, sovereignty, management, conduct of affairs, ruling power, mastership, ownership, exercise of power, code of law, constitution, law of requital, an order. The Quran has described Islam as Ad-Din, which is generally translated as religion. However, in the light of the above meanings, it should be clear that this is not only incorrect, but distorts and negates the very meaning of din. Islam is not a religion (madhab), and it has never been described as one in the Quran. Islam is a way of life, a system, a code of law. In the external universe Islam signifies the Divine Order that governs life and the movement of the entire universe. The whole purpose of the Quran is to establish a universal order based on the Divinely ordained values of life. This is ad-din; Islam: A Challenge to Religion
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09-04-2016, 06:17 PM
RE: God (truth, real self) has no religion
(09-04-2016 06:12 PM)Matheism Wrote:  DIN—this word has been used in various contexts, among them being ascendancy, sovereignty, management, conduct of affairs, ruling power, mastership, ownership, exercise of power, code of law, constitution, law of requital, an order. The Quran has described Islam as Ad-Din, which is generally translated as religion. However, in the light of the above meanings, it should be clear that this is not only incorrect, but distorts and negates the very meaning of din. Islam is not a religion (madhab), and it has never been described as one in the Quran. Islam is a way of life, a system, a code of law. In the external universe Islam signifies the Divine Order that governs life and the movement of the entire universe. The whole purpose of the Quran is to establish a universal order based on the Divinely ordained values of life. This is ad-din; Islam: A Challenge to Religion

Nice. Consider

But.. how does that serve as a reply to either myself (As in my above post) or to any one else's reply's to you?

Consider

Also...

Why should anything in a book be regarded as true or false?

And/Or

Why should any book be considered true or false?

Consider
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