God was not in Sandy Hook
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02-01-2013, 05:55 PM (This post was last modified: 05-01-2013 07:02 PM by Aseptic Skeptic.)
God was not in Sandy Hook
I just got into a short debate with a Christian today. He told me that the massacre in Sandy Hook Elementary happened because we have kicked God out of our schools so he wasn't there to protect those Children.

My reply was this:

Me: Is god omniscient?

"Yes."

Me: OK, so he knew what was happening, even knew that guy was going to drive to the school and shoot kids. Was God on the road where the guy was driving?

"Freewill - he had to let the guy do it, stopping it beforehand would have robbed the man of freewill."

Me: Is god omnipotent?

"Yes."

Me: So, god was on the road, saw the guy, knew what he was going to do, and is omnipotent, which means he has the power to go into Sandy Hook Elementary regardless of our silly little human rules. He's omnipotent, so he could stop it but he chose not to?

"We don't want him in our schools so he followed our rules even though he didn't have to."

Me: If you had the absolute guaranteed power to stop that massacre, wouldn't you stop it? If we had stupid rules about letting you in that school, wouldn't you have gone in and used your power to save those kids? Would you just sit there and watch them all die?

"No, I might have stopped it if I had the power, but I'm not god, I don't know his plan."

Me: Is your morality better than god's? You know the right thing to do. If you were there, outside, watching it happen, and had all the power to stop that guy without fail, without risk, you would have saved those kids, even if there were rules to ban you from that school. But god wouldn't do the same thing?

"Freewill again, god had to let the guy do what he was going to do."

Me: He couldn't rob the guy of freewill so he had to let him do his thing, but why not stop him after one kid was dead or maybe 2 or 3 to establish the pattern, why let him shoot all 28 people -

"Still freewill; if god stopped him any time he would be taking away the man's freewill."

Me: Fine, I won't argue that, but please stop telling me that god let this happen because we won't let him in our schools when you just told me, yourself, that it has nothing to do with that and everything to do with freewill.

Blame it on freewill if you want, but don't blame it on separation of church from the government funded schools. God was clearly in Sandy Hook despite our legislation.

He actually agreed with me. It's rare that I win a debate with a theist.

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God was not in Sandy Hook - Aseptic Skeptic - 02-01-2013 05:55 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - Janus - 02-01-2013, 06:02 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - Phaedrus - 02-01-2013, 07:15 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - Janus - 02-01-2013, 07:36 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - Rahn127 - 02-01-2013, 09:01 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - Impulse - 03-01-2013, 10:13 AM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - sandman - 03-01-2013, 10:29 AM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - Impulse - 03-01-2013, 11:59 AM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - DylanC - 03-01-2013, 12:17 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - BioPsychMS - 03-01-2013, 12:58 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - BioPsychMS - 03-01-2013, 01:40 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - DylanC - 03-01-2013, 01:36 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - DylanC - 03-01-2013, 02:27 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - Impulse - 03-01-2013, 04:06 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - Impulse - 03-01-2013, 04:56 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - Impulse - 03-01-2013, 08:08 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - Question - 03-01-2013, 06:59 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - MMCC0203 - 03-01-2013, 08:52 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - cjs - 06-01-2013, 03:27 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - cjs - 06-01-2013, 03:27 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - cjs - 06-01-2013, 03:30 PM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - Chas - 07-01-2013, 06:49 AM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - Chas - 07-01-2013, 07:39 AM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - lucyg77 - 07-01-2013, 08:20 AM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - lucyg77 - 08-01-2013, 07:32 AM
RE: God was not in Sandy Hook - Chas - 08-01-2013, 01:31 PM
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