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22-07-2014, 11:32 AM
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Question is: Are gods a subset of magic?

Part of my reason why I don't even take the notion of gods as a serious argument is because I view gods as a subset of magic, and I reject magic as being part of existence (from what I understand about existence).

Hoping to hear some people's thoughts and opinions.

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22-07-2014, 11:39 AM
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If we need a definition of magic, I suppose this is as good as any: "The power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces."

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22-07-2014, 12:05 PM
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(22-07-2014 11:39 AM)Adrianime Wrote:  If we need a definition of magic, I suppose this is as good as any: "The power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces."

I don't know if that's an adequate definition. If a magic genie blinks a martini into your hand, they have created something from nothing. It doesn't really have a major impact on events per-se.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

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22-07-2014, 12:12 PM
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(22-07-2014 12:05 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  I don't know if that's an adequate definition. If a magic genie blinks a martini into your hand, they have created something from nothing. It doesn't really have a major impact on events per-se.
Sure it does, it had an impact on the event of you having a martini!

But yeah, it isn't the best definition of "magic". And I was really close to just typing out my own...but I figure that magic should be such a wide-spread concept that it shouldn't need a definition. But I also know people like to play word games so I decided, "Hell, may as well include something."

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22-07-2014, 12:12 PM
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But maybe declaring any event that does not have a perceived natural explanation as a miracle or magic would suffice.

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22-07-2014, 12:17 PM
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My own definition would probably have to do with phenomena that actually break understood (by modern society/science) laws of reality. But even that route will lead to an imperfect definition that is easy to nitpick at. I have a bit of "faith" that the commonfolk here will understand what I mean by "magic".

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22-07-2014, 12:23 PM
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If you define magic as anything supernatural and defies the laws of science then yes.

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22-07-2014, 12:42 PM
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I think they're interchangeable, god is magical. Basically a perception of a miraculous event is dependent on the person seeing the event as unexplainable. So there is an inherent ignorance involved in interpreting miraculous events. God=magic=ignorance.

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22-07-2014, 03:11 PM
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Well, I was hoping for some disagreement here....Oh well Sad.

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22-07-2014, 04:09 PM
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I put no - to my mind Gods are not a subset of magic because apart from anything else, magic was often attributed to those who are not godly so in many cultures it could be described as a human trait...


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