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23-09-2017, 07:12 AM
RE: Golden Rule
The idealistic, or realistic??

The idealistic - treat others ect - nice, but not real enforceable.

The realistic - he who has the gold, rules - not so nice, but seems to be how it works out.

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23-09-2017, 07:17 AM
RE: Golden Rule
(23-09-2017 03:31 AM)Thinker Wrote:  
(23-09-2017 03:27 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  A typically good fast rule, but hardly perfect or all encompassing.

If someone enjoys being tickled but another person doesn't - then the Golden Rule fails universally.

But if the person does like tickling? That's not a failure, let alone a universal one.

Like I already said 'hardly perfect or all encompassing'. It works often enough, but there are exceptions (masochism, psychopathy), because people and the world are complicated.

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23-09-2017, 07:18 AM
RE: Golden Rule
If you were born with adequate empathy, you don't need the rule.

If not, you need stronger and more explicit rules than that.

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23-09-2017, 07:25 AM
RE: Golden Rule
(23-09-2017 07:12 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(23-09-2017 03:31 AM)Thinker Wrote:  If someone enjoys being tickled but another person doesn't - then the Golden Rule fails universally.

No, because the rule implies that you don't do to others what they don't like.
Sorta but that's why the Silver Rule has its existence in that passive form of "don't do on to others what you wouldn't want done onto you."

And the platinum rule overall is more encompassing

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23-09-2017, 07:32 AM
RE: Golden Rule
(23-09-2017 07:12 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(23-09-2017 03:31 AM)Thinker Wrote:  If someone enjoys being tickled but another person doesn't - then the Golden Rule fails universally.

No, because the rule implies that you don't do to others what they don't like.

In order to infer that you have to be able to leverage empathy and imagine yourself as the other person such that "the way you want to be treated" becomes "the way they want to be treated". If you can do that then the rule is obvious and superfluous and if you can't then the rule isn't as good as other formulations that make it more explicit.

(23-09-2017 07:18 AM)Dom Wrote:  If you were born with adequate empathy, you don't need the rule.

If not, you need stronger and more explicit rules than that.

Exactly. The "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" formulation is either irrelevant or insufficient. It beats the hell out of "if your child is disobedient then stone him to death" but it isn't the height of morality either.

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23-09-2017, 08:17 AM
RE: Golden Rule
Ridiculous. Look up Albert Fish and how he liked to be treated. Although in his defense he did treat others the way he liked to be treated. Yay for him?
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23-09-2017, 08:43 AM
RE: Golden Rule
We teach other people how we wish to be treated based on what we allow of their behavior toward us and others, what we refuse to allow, and what we reinforce.

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23-09-2017, 11:42 AM
RE: Golden Rule
To me it just means treating people with respect.

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23-09-2017, 05:44 PM
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(23-09-2017 02:50 AM)Thinker Wrote:  What are most forum users' stance on one humanistic Golden Rule -

Treat others the way that you want to be treated.
It's what you brought up when you lied and trolled in the other thread so it's no coincidence that you started a thread about it now.
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24-09-2017, 08:26 AM
RE: Golden Rule
(23-09-2017 03:31 AM)Thinker Wrote:  
(23-09-2017 03:27 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  A typically good fast rule, but hardly perfect or all encompassing.

If someone enjoys being tickled but another person doesn't - then the Golden Rule fails universally.

Yep, that's why the popular Jesus version is not the best version - "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

An ancient Egypt variant (664-323 BC) of this is:

"That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another."

This would condense to the simple "do no harm" general principle.

Any of these rules are basic principles, you can always find exceptions because human behavior is too complex to limit to a basic principle that can be applied with good outcomes 100% of the time, especially when there is no universal agreement on what would constitute a "good outcome" , you'll get variants from group to group on this.

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