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07-10-2014, 07:56 AM
Good Question. Let's Have Fun Finding Out
I had a bit of time to kill over the last few days (being on sock-puppet monitoring duty and therefore desk-bound) so I was watching a few apologist vs atheist vids.

There often seemed to be a moment, an almost inevitable moment when the 'certainty: good but doubt: bad' argument raised a cheer from a believer-packed audience.

The response of "I/we don't know" was received with howls of derision... even if followed by "yet". "Scientists are still working that out" seemed to be all the evidence that was needed to prove the fallibility of mortals (compared to the divine) and by association, secular-humanists / atheists.

Worse, was that this would place the non-believer on the back-foot. A position from which some were slow to recover.

I had a thought; a thought I had...

Even though the "I don't know" response is perfectly valid and indeed can lead to a discussion on the merits of the scientific method(s) i.e. working towards certainty rather than starting from it, would it not be a better approach, and one that avoids the trap, to go straight to the positive attributes of discovery and avoid the negative link to a position of ignorance.

So, I'm going to try the response in the thread title next time I am thusly challenged.

Example:
Q: So, how do you explain how morality comes from matter?
A: Good question, sometimes I think that I understand it, sometimes I realise I do not have a clue... but it sure is fun finding out.

Big Grin

Perhaps you guys can try the same and report back your results.

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07-10-2014, 09:38 PM
RE: Good Question. Let's Have Fun Finding Out
cool story bro, needs more dragon.

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08-10-2014, 04:13 AM
RE: Good Question. Let's Have Fun Finding Out
As the zen master would say, you're asking the wrong questions;or I would.

It's just a pattern of piling on other processes from the stand point of matter.

From the matter when life arises, and it creates more of it's self. Life begat life and so forth as the annals say. Somewhere the motive of life desiring to keep creating life became important to itself.

Then when the forms of life that relied on grouping of species being necessarily for it's life lineage to continue, morality grew out of that. Ideas of benefiting the group and others are key if you need others to reproduce and keep creating life.

I think the unanswered and more intriguing question is why does life have the ingrown desire to reproduce more life.

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08-10-2014, 08:22 AM
RE: Good Question. Let's Have Fun Finding Out
Why do people care about things that have no answer and most likely never will?

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08-10-2014, 11:17 AM (This post was last modified: 08-10-2014 11:25 AM by DLJ.)
RE: Good Question. Let's Have Fun Finding Out
(08-10-2014 04:13 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  ...
I think the unanswered and more intriguing question is why does life have the ingrown desire to reproduce more life.

Fair enough. But my point is that the on-the-spot answer we can give to your question, above, or similar questions, should not be "I don't know (yet)", it should be something like "isn't that the fun part... trying to find answers to these questions?"

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08-10-2014, 11:22 AM
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(08-10-2014 04:13 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I think the unanswered and more intriguing question is why does life have the ingrown desire to reproduce more life.

The genes that cause the that behavior (reproductive drive) are more successful at being replicated than genes that don't.

That's it. That's all there is to it.

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08-10-2014, 11:23 AM (This post was last modified: 05-11-2014 04:07 PM by DLJ.)
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(08-10-2014 08:22 AM)Deidre32 Wrote:  Why do people care about things that have no answer and most likely never will?

Women... I don't understand them and probably never will but I still care about them. Big Grin

It's because we're human. We have always wondered what is behind that hill, what is behind that mountain, is there anything beyond that sea, what is beyond the horizon... ?

I suppose we could content ourselves with "god dunnit" or "here be dragons".

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08-10-2014, 12:40 PM
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(08-10-2014 11:23 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 08:22 AM)Deidre32 Wrote:  Why do people care about things that have no answer and most likely never will?

Women... I don't understand and them and probably never will but I still care about them. Big Grin

Touché
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08-10-2014, 12:44 PM
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(08-10-2014 12:40 PM)Deidre32 Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 11:23 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Women... I don't understand and them and probably never will but I still care about them. Big Grin

Touché
Laugh out load

DLJ is very touché-feelé. Yes

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08-10-2014, 01:00 PM
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(08-10-2014 08:22 AM)Deidre32 Wrote:  Why do people care about things that have no answer and most likely never will?

Because they can still be fun to discuss and consider...


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