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13-06-2013, 06:20 PM
RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
(13-06-2013 05:44 PM)Stephen Charchuk Wrote:  Freewill is an illusion, but one we're willing to live with......

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14-06-2013, 07:51 AM (This post was last modified: 14-06-2013 09:21 AM by Stephen Charchuk.)
Re: RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
(17-05-2013 01:34 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Your glass is quite half-full. It usually is if you're a captivated freethinker.

A cruel God would have a hardier creation. The average stay in Auschwitz was three months before death. Lacking B vitamins and a basic diet, camp prisoners had trouble remembering even the names of lost ones, another mercy.

No, if I was the cruel God you propose, I'd make the bodies/soul cages tougher, so the Nazis could torture people psychically and physically for five-seven years or more instead of three months.

You don't understand because you understand and believe what you want to understand.

You don't understand.

The very fact that the Holocaust existed at all is proof of a cruel god if one existed. It's like with Islam where it says in their Sha'ra Law that they can only beat their wife with a stick as big as a toothbrush. It's the fact that it allows them to beat their wives at all is what is relevant.

As for you last part that can be much easier said about you because you actually don't have anything real to backup your beliefs. The bible doesn't count because that would be the fallacy of Circurlar Reasoning to use it.

BTW, Hitler was a devout Christian and believed that he was doing god's work and that the gas chambers were "humane".

" The F├╝hrer made it known to those entrusted with the Final Solution that the killings should be done as humanely as possible. This was in line with his conviction that he was observing God's injunction to cleanse the world of vermin. Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy ("I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" [quoting Hitler]), he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of God. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of God -- so long as it was done impersonally, without cruelty.



-- John Toland (Pulitzer Prize winner),
from "Adolf Hitler", pp 507, talking about the Autumn of 1941.



The "I am now as before a Catholic..." quotation from Hitler was recorded in the diary of Gerhard Engel, an SS Adjutant, in October 1941. Hitler was speaking in private, not before a mass audience, and so it is difficult to dismiss the comment as propaganda lies."


If that is love than I'm glad I'm not a Christian. Their idea of love is sick and twisted.

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14-06-2013, 07:56 AM (This post was last modified: 14-06-2013 08:04 AM by Stephen Charchuk.)
Re: RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
(17-05-2013 01:44 PM)guitar_nut Wrote:  You're hilarious! I didn't think there was a silver lining to the holocaust, but apparently there is one: "it could have been worse." Clap, clap, clap.

I wonder, PJ, if there are any instances that satisfy your 'crueler' criteria. Is there a recent example of humans being tortured, physically, sexually, and mentally, for, oh let's say a ten year period. Any at all? Anything in the recent news, perhaps? Three women in a basement?

But of course, it could have been worse for them, so it really doesn't count in your eyes, does it? You suffer from Stockholm syndrome. I'm sure of it now.

You must remember that PJ is religiously insane and nothing can contradict his delusion... I mean belief.

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14-06-2013, 12:11 PM
RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
Quote:BTW, Hitler was a devout Christian and believed that he was doing god's work and that the gas chambers were "humane".

Hitler was not a devout, born again Christian. A born again Christian cannot murder another, and Hitler in writings and spoken word declared Jesus a weak, pathetic Jew and himself the Christ or Messiah of Europe! He was much more an Antichrist than a Christian!
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14-06-2013, 12:13 PM
RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
Quote:You're hilarious! I didn't think there was a silver lining to the holocaust, but apparently there is one: "it could have been worse." Clap, clap, clap.

Um, silver linings include the soon-after creation of Israel as a secular Jewish nation, in fulfillment of prophecy, and the worldwide recognition that God helped the Allies triumph over socialist and fascist tyranny and man's cruelty to man.
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14-06-2013, 12:17 PM
RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
(14-06-2013 12:11 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:BTW, Hitler was a devout Christian and believed that he was doing god's work and that the gas chambers were "humane".

Hitler was not a devout, born again Christian. A born again Christian cannot murder another, and Hitler in writings and spoken word declared Jesus a weak, pathetic Jew and himself the Christ or Messiah of Europe! He was much more an Antichrist than a Christian!

He believed, he identified himself as a christian, he went to church, ect.

He devoteness even goes back before he was well known - often painting religious icons to pass his time. Get off your high horse, this is the real world.

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14-06-2013, 01:17 PM (This post was last modified: 14-06-2013 01:33 PM by Stephen Charchuk.)
Re: RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
(14-06-2013 12:11 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Hitler was not a devout, born again Christian. A born again Christian cannot murder another, and Hitler in writings and spoken word declared Jesus a weak, pathetic Jew and himself the Christ or Messiah of Europe! He was much more an Antichrist than a Christian!

Murder is a legal term not a moral one. Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of a human being. Doing god's will makes it legal in his eyes. If so than why didn't he kill the pope? BTW, what's this about "born again" and devout? Is that like the trinity nonsense? Born again is heresy. The majority of Christians don't claim to be "born again".

As I had said, you are religiously insane. All real world evidence shows him to be a devout Christian. Actually that isn't true what you said about him saying that. Please provide the passages as I did for him being a devout Christian.

Without evidence you are just blowing smoke.

He wrote in his book.

" The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. [original italics]



For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his religious community and tries to butt into the other.



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Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. [original italics]



-- Adolf Hitler, from "Mein Kampf",
translation by Ralph Mannheim. "


In his very own words.

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14-06-2013, 01:20 PM (This post was last modified: 14-06-2013 01:37 PM by Stephen Charchuk.)
Re: RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
(14-06-2013 12:13 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Um, silver linings include the soon-after creation of Israel as a secular Jewish nation, in fulfillment of prophecy, and the worldwide recognition that God helped the Allies triumph over socialist and fascist tyranny and man's cruelty to man.

Someone did some strong lying there.... I say that some unsettled area of the USA would have been a better choice than that litterbox.

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14-06-2013, 01:22 PM
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(14-06-2013 12:17 PM)Red Tornado Wrote:  He believed, he identified himself as a christian, he went to church, ect.

He devoteness even goes back before he was well known - often painting religious icons to pass his time. Get off your high horse, this is the real world.

I think he prefers makebelieve over reality.

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14-06-2013, 05:05 PM
RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
(12-05-2013 07:56 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(12-05-2013 06:15 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  These religions are bizarre, irrational, disturbing, degrading to our intellect, irresponsible,monetarily grasping,simplistic, and potentially very dangerous.

Yup. I find it all very patronizing.

(12-05-2013 06:15 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  Any potentially higher cosmic concepts are not served well by such buffoonery.

I think that may be even more important point, Woofmeister. Rationalism and empiricism are not mutually exclusive. Reason is a well-paved path to knowledge, but sometimes direct experience is all you can get. Reason has already identified its own limitations. The religious buffoonery just gets in the way of that.

Yes G.M!
Just re reading O.P. and started thinking an ethically higher cosmic power could well exist and all scripture contain history, paradox, seeming stupidity, violence, craziness, along with lots of annoying pseudo pride and dogma, could still hold the seeds of an unravelling learning curve directed towards a potential higher consciousness.Angel
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